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Lol look what i found on the WoW forums.

1. New Patch is a bust, please consider this.. | 11/8/2004 4:15:58 AM GMTST
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We understand you all worked very hard on this new patch blizzard and everyone appreciates the effort, but even you guys are mortal and make mistakes sometimes. I think this may be one of those rare times. My fun factor in this game just took a nose dive after this patch.

Undead need to be changed back to undead. Its what they are, its what the lore says, its what undead players want to be.

Undead need to be able to breath under water, not just hold their breath 3x as long.. very bad imersion breaking change and very uncessary.

Undead need their immunities to be more then 20 seconds long and only when they activate it. Seriously just put it back to the way it was before.

Paladins had a unique role and they liked it. Undead players knew that with their great immunity powers came the price of paladin weakness. You took the unique role a paladin had and threw it out the window. GIVE it back to them. Lots of paladins lived for this.

Reagent costs are a horrible idea, they are way too expensive, and even if you lowered the price they are jsut frustrating and annoying, this is not a good way to get money out of the economy. Think of a fun way to do it. I realize that casinos, make over shops, etc.. would all be optional but they can and have worked for other MMOs. Reagan costs HURT community, players will no longer buff other players to be friendly. Reeagant costs HURT grouping, because I know my group will no longer be getting Holy Word Fortitude and certainly will not be getting ports out unless they pay me in advance. Reagant costs take up inventory space... we need it with all the quest items we have filling it up already.

Water walking is no longer a viable pvp strategy, you ruined that big time. It is now simply a travel spell. There are ways to make water walking balanced without ruining the pvp strategy. Why not make it last 1 minute? that would prevent camping on water with large armies but would still allow limited use of the tactic. The way it is now 1 shot cancels the spell = unuseable. You destroyed a very fun and unique spell that could have otherwise been balanced in a way even the alliance wouldent mind.

Pummel? where did it go? Im not a huge warrior fan, but if im not mistaken, what does a Non-Tauren non-protection spec'd warrior use to interupt casters now? be forced into one play style IE sword & shield so they can use shield bash once every 15 seconds, that is not going to cut it.

Im not a paladin player, but I hear paladins also have a lot of issues with their nwe ability line up compared to their old one (not talking about talents).

There are many other things that im sure im not including, but the issues with this patch are huge. I like some things (kodo mounts, racial traits except undead, etc.) but they are being overshadowed by these hugely negative changes.

I think fun, variety, uniqueness > money sinks, extreme balance, frustration.


So every1 makes mistakes, jsut play it out adn wait for them to fix it.

Unfortunately, the only people that will see this as it truly is are still playing the game. Those that want to be negative will remain so, no matter what the rest of the world says.

But thanks for pointing out why I don't like WoW anymore

- N

On the other hand, that was the patch to WoW's TEST server, not their live server. It was also just patched today.

and while that patch is unpopular, it didn't doesn't combat alltogether either for 80% of the levels.

Seems like apples and oranges to me. But the lack of people playing Ryzom to see anything makes the point loud and clear enough.

Every MMO until the end of time will have patches where some players scream at how the game has been ruined.

Nevrax, can you through us a raid or two. This doom and gloom over the patch is getting old.

The difference here is:

1) Blizzard is still in beta with WoW

2) Nevrax is still treating SoR as if it were in beta, rather than 1+ month into retail.

fellgrim wrote:The difference here is:

1) Blizzard is still in beta with WoW

2) Nevrax is still treating SoR as if it were in beta, rather than 1+ month into retail.

You people confuse me so much. Yeah, WoW is still in Beta, but so was patch 1 before it was released. That didn't matter too much did it?

It's true Nevrax should have waited another month or two before they released SoR, but they're trying to fix it, whether people believe it or not.

I think it's funny that people are standing up for WoW getting screwed over by a patch (even if it is in Beta), but because Nevrax is still trying to balance their game after it was released many people despise them.

I'm probably going to be flamed for this... So bring it on!

According to a certain segment of the MMO community EVERY MMORPG is released too soon. EQ2 is being released tomorrow, and I can guarantee that by Wednesday there will be those saying it was released too soon. Same will be true of WoW when it is released, same will be true of every game in the future.

I ssupose that, given infinite developer capital, infinite development time, and infinite fan patience a perfect game could be devised, but since we can't play with infinites I guess we'll just have to settle for reality.

Since patch 1 was released last week I have gained several levels, engaged in some good RP, and decided that there was a need for a Matis RP guild. Even in view of all of the imperfection surrounding me, I manage, quite nicely actually.

I found a forum entry similar to the one at the top of this thread...

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I spent the last 7 months helping test this game. i have gave much feedback, logged bugs, gave ideas, ect ect .

this game was great. I had a blast playing it, and then came the Miss bug. We all know about this. We all know its still a problem, and blizzard cant seem to resolve it. To me this should be a major concern and fixed before release.

Next problem, is this last patch. No need for me to go into details about what all is wrong. I can just look at the forums and tell 90 % or more of the community is outraged.

Blizzard this game WAS great, and it would sell easily, but your making all these dramatic changes, thats just making gameplay horrible.
You had lured a gigantic chunk of the gaming community to come play WoW, and now with changes like this last patch, its leaving a sour taste in our mouths.
i know you all say, just test the changes and see what you think. Alot of it we dont need to test, we just look at it, and can tell this entire last patch is a bad idea. the game is coming out in 2 weeks, and its not even WoW anymore, atleast not the game that i put so much time into help beta test.
I miss was wow was, and regret what its slowy turning into, and thats another EQ game
You want customers, leave the game the way it was, and just do minor tweaking.

Get the miss problem fixed

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... post538568

Lol, now some people are talking about leaving WoW and going to EQ2

Everyone's going to be chasing each other's tails by the end of this month. SoR people are going to WoW and EQ2, WoW people are going to EQ2, Maybe EQ2 people are just gonna die... or maybe they'll get lucky and fine another game to saitisfy their EverCrack addiction... like SoR or WoW... or they'll just die

This reminds me of the time in the beta that sor nerfed the aoe spells, there was a mass exodus of people, they all cried that the game was no fun and it was no fair. I wonder how many came back after that?

Me, I have just been sticking around because I like to play.

The only thing in my control is my actions and thoughts, and though the squeaky wheel gets the oil, sometimes it is just time to change the tire.

venjik wrote:You people confuse me so much. Yeah, WoW is still in Beta, but so was patch 1 before it was released. That didn't matter too much did it?

It's true Nevrax should have waited another month or two before they released SoR, but they're trying to fix it, whether people believe it or not.

I think it's funny that people are standing up for WoW getting screwed over by a patch (even if it is in Beta), but because Nevrax is still trying to balance their game after it was released many people despise them.

I'm probably going to be flamed for this... So bring it on!

People are not paying for WoW right now.

People are paying for SoR.

Not a flame, just a statement. If Saga of Ryzom was free - I think many people would be less inclined to flame.

Also, anyone else find it funny that someone has to go off board to get a WoW flame (and a pretty tame one from what I've seen so far in the beta) to post it here as sort of a "look see, other games are just as bad!"

Well honestly, Ryzom isn't anywhere near the same calibur of game that WoW is. I was in beta for WoW and I must say that the production values, stability and game play mechanics are in pretty much every way superior to Ryzom.

However, I played Ryzom instead of waiting for WoW because I have no interest in roleplaying a Warcraft unit.

Anyway, I don't see the point of this thread. Anyone who's been in WoW beta has probably seen flames of like 50-100x as much combustability on their forums, and the fact remains WoW is in beta... and Ryzom is not. Say what you want about the WoW community (I'm not so much sure that the Ryzom community is that much more mature myself, but please continue believing so...) However, Blizzard is a top notch developer who puts a great deal of actual work and thought into their products. It's why they are so successful. Many game companies *wish* they were Blizzard or had Blizzards reputation. They are the only developer I know of to cancel not one, but *two* crappy games after they spent develop and marketting time on them.

That just goes to show you how much they value their reputation.

All being said, I have no plans to purchase WoW after being in the beta. It is a fun game, don't get me wrong, but I am not enthralled with the Warcraft world. I really like Ryzom's story and premise, however I find it very hard to sit through new bugs with every patch, no new content and the recent patch fiasco. I think it speaks volumes about Nevrax's creativity that they can come up with such a great concept for a game - However the execution of said concept is very lacking at this moment in time. That is just a fact really, even the most ardent supporters of this game must acknowledge that very few of the promised features (even features on the box or in the manual) are actually in the game, now a month after release.

Anyway I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this... but I do know for a fact that the complaining on this board is directed squarely at Nevrax and *this* game. Trying to distract people from it by posting flames from other games is just akin to saying, "Hey look behind you!"

I think most of us stopped falling for that when we were what, about six?