Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

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rajnew
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Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

Post by rajnew »

From grouping, it seems as if dagger users are able to generate incredible amounts of aggro. Well, enough that I am unable to make the mob hit me when a duel wield dagger user is attacking.

I was thinking of using duel daggers while wearing heavy armor. When in large groups fighting tough mobs, usually Light Armor or Medium armor fighters end up taking all the damage (kind of defeats the purpose of Heavy armor).

I understand that the extra aggro is from faster swing speed. Does duel wielding (2 hits per attack) also increase aggro?

If duel wielding causes more aggro to be made. Would using feint, and duel wield still yield more aggro then a 2handed weapon - despite attacking half as often compared to not using feint? thus allowing a heavy armor user to not run out stamina etc in 5seconds :P

Does berserk damage add to each swing when duel wielding? Or is it after the total damage per round (Ie, will it add 10 damage like using a 1handed weapon, or will it add 20)?
Seems like berserk would be pretty damn sweet at higher levels while duel wielding daggers then (worth just to switch to daggers, to use berserk, then switch back to prefered weapon once berserk ends)?


Anyone try using a dagger and shield? Do you get the benifit of both being able to keep aggro effectively (and gain it faster) and the added protection of using a shield? Considering these are situations where fights last longer then normal, does a daggers damage over time equal that of any other 1handed weapon?
rudedog3
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Re: Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

Post by rudedog3 »

rajnew wrote:From grouping, it seems as if dagger users are able to generate incredible amounts of aggro. Well, enough that I am unable to make the mob hit me when a duel wield dagger user is attacking.

I was thinking of using duel daggers while wearing heavy armor. When in large groups fighting tough mobs, usually Light Armor or Medium armor fighters end up taking all the damage (kind of defeats the purpose of Heavy armor).

I understand that the extra aggro is from faster swing speed. Does duel wielding (2 hits per attack) also increase aggro?

If duel wielding causes more aggro to be made. Would using feint, and duel wield still yield more aggro then a 2handed weapon - despite attacking half as often compared to not using feint? thus allowing a heavy armor user to not run out stamina etc in 5seconds :P

Does berserk damage add to each swing when duel wielding? Or is it after the total damage per round (Ie, will it add 10 damage like using a 1handed weapon, or will it add 20)?
Seems like berserk would be pretty damn sweet at higher levels while duel wielding daggers then (worth just to switch to daggers, to use berserk, then switch back to prefered weapon once berserk ends)?


Anyone try using a dagger and shield? Do you get the benifit of both being able to keep aggro effectively (and gain it faster) and the added protection of using a shield? Considering these are situations where fights last longer then normal, does a daggers damage over time equal that of any other 1handed weapon?
Well, I don't know about the agro part but I made a chr based on 2 daggers and beserk and since beserk takes about 10 min or longer to recharge it is completly worthless. It does however add 10 to each attack when I got it at level 30. Hope this helps.
zzeii
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Re: Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

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Actually with higher level berserks, the recharge time becomes reduced if i'm not mistaken...

And for the damage, it adds to each hand, but only the primary hand gains the benefit of increased damage. So you actually get 2x berserk on mainhand, and 1x berserk on offhand.

As it stands, a LA dual dagger weilding dodge based tank is completely valid with blind or stun being used. Even if you can't hit the mob, and taunt is failing, the daggers will keep the mobs attention very very well.

And you still get the lovely option of ignore armor for those critters with 75%+ melee resists *joy*! As for using a shield, I'd suggest going with a buckler due to the action malus is lowered. tripling your action malus with the larger shield could kill sta/hp very very quickly. Also as an added advantage, you can fire off those enchantments for less with just dual daggers, and since daggers attack so fast, it's easier to make up for a resisted blind/fear/etc.

Just my 2 cents on the subject, not that I know much about tanking....
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evalisa
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Re: Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

Post by evalisa »

Taunt will keep the agro on you fairly well

i can hold agro from most people on my tank
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It's Prttey fnuny how we can raed tihs einrte snetnece wtih all tehse ltters all out of palce, and we can cnotniue to keep raednig and sitll mekas snece of waht we are raeding. No mttar how mnay tmies you raed tihs oevr and oevr you can sitll mkae snece of it.
How is taht pssoible?
zzeii
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Re: Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

Post by zzeii »

evalisa wrote:Taunt will keep the agro on you fairly well

i can hold agro from most people on my tank
Even with taunt, using a pike vs someone who was 40+ lower levels than me, if I didn't taunt every chance I got, I would lose aggro within 1-2 seconds after it recycled if they had daggers. Now against mobs where taunt can fail this becomes a bigger issue. I see at 250, with critters being over lvl 250 of the main tank having to use daggers just to ensure keeping aggro, with people rotating 1-2 people using shielding as needed on the main tank to help absorb some of that damage from the critters that are immune to blind/stun.

Not to mention 2x daggers gets you more hp than 1x 2h weapon....

And every hp you can squeeze in there helps ;)
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evalisa
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Re: Daggers & Heavy Armor (and Berserk/Feint/Shield)?

Post by evalisa »

I must admit i have not tryed at higher levels so i wil ltake your word for it
for me a single taunt every now and again will hold agro from anyone im with

maybe it will be adjusted for higher levels later
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It's Prttey fnuny how we can raed tihs einrte snetnece wtih all tehse ltters all out of palce, and we can cnotniue to keep raednig and sitll mekas snece of waht we are raeding. No mttar how mnay tmies you raed tihs oevr and oevr you can sitll mkae snece of it.
How is taht pssoible?
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