Ryzom

Is time for me to go but would like to leave something that hopefully will allow this industry to change the way things are currently done.

First off, let me say this game could have been very very good, but I view the following as errors in judgement and application.

You wish me to pay for, play and support a game presented by you that does not meet the criteria that you, its own developers and producers, had set forth.

1) Your game is currently out of balance. You have struggling crafters, and adventurers that are under supplied. You had obviously planned for a vendor system and yet launched your game without it. With it implemented Harvesters/Adventurers would have had a place to sell thier mats, instead of selling to NPC and be lost. Crafters would have had a supply system that did not required dependancy of being on-line, in the right place, at the right time to acquire mats they needed to advance at a pace equal to that of the adventurer, or have had to invest time into harvesting themselves. You later increased NPC vendor mats to level 50 to attempt to balance, which, in my opinion was only partially successful, and again, could have been avoided if vendor system was properly implemented. I see vendors are coming - but this should have been in place from the beginning.

2) Kami tolerance for harvesting is another tool you had planned to control advancement of harvesting and instill care in the players environment. Good idea - yet again - not implemented at launch. Causing easy and rampant of growth of harvesters faster than your expectations or desires. There were folks who took advantage of this error on your part, causing you to react harshly in redesigning aspects of areas that if, correctly implemented at start, could have avoided the word exploiter being tossed into discussions.

3) An intricated part of MMORPG's is the guild set up. When guilds were made and guild halls bought, the system was bugged. Though you did get most of them fixed fairly quickly (not all), what this tells me is that your beta, though having gone open - then focus, then open again, was not well done, was rushed and seemingly unfocused, or atleast not completely focused.

4) And lastly, having to move your NA server from England to NA after launch tells me you were fully aware you were not even mechanically set up for the game to go public.

There are others of lesser degree, but these are the highlights that should have been taken care of and would have made the others tolerable.

Farewell everyone, I do hope you enjoy Saga of Ryzom, but for me - I cannot in good conscious, continue support of this endeavor.

Amen.

Another calling a spade a spade. Nevrax is not shooting straight with its customers. They know this game is doomed and yet "pretend" (i.e. milk clients hoping to get that first month subscription fee as an added bonus to the box sales) that all will be well. It won't. They are simply trying to recoup as much development losses as possible. Wake up, people.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, so choose what you want to believe.

To the original post good luck hope you find what youre looking for in an MMO. Not every game for everyone, but very constructive post non the less.

Robin, seriously we know your distaste for the game, so why don't you just leave? You had your say, but you continually post on this and now you're just trolling. No one really cares for your x-files like mentality. Does the game have problems? Yes. It's only been out for a few weeks and they haven't even put in the first major patch yet, but they have had several small patches that have made the game a little better here and there. So, either move on or shut your trap.

spaaz69 wrote:To the original post good luck hope you find what youre looking for in an MMO. Not every game for everyone, but very constructive post non the less.

Robin, seriously we know your distaste for the game, so why don't you just leave? You had your say, but you continually post on this and now you're just trolling. No one really cares for your x-files like mentality. Does the game have problems? Yes. It's only been out for a few weeks and they haven't even put in the first major patch yet, but they have had several small patches that have made the game a little better here and there. So, either move on or shut your trap.

Wow, such hostility. Well, guess what... I paid my $45 for the priviledge of posting my opinions just like everyone else. I don't call people names, I always preface my remarks with disclaimers about it being MY OPINION, and generally post like a mature adult.

If you have a problem with this, my friend, you have a problem with freedom of speech.

I just feel that we (including you) have all been cheated with this game and I want to bring it to light for some of the more naive people who bought the game.

Perhaps in time I will 'eat my words.' Perhaps not. You post as you like and I will as I like, okay? Thanks.

Robin - you put up an inflammatory, baseless post and are surprised when you get flamed? Constructive criticism is welcome, but your post had no constructive thoughts in it whatsoever. Why are you still here? Goodbye already.

To the original poster - It was well known that these things weren't going to be implemented at launch. If you had read the boards before purchase you could have saved yourself the money if these things are so important to you. Most if not all of these are well known issues and will hopefully be fixed. Perhaps you would be better off waiting for several months after launch before purchasing a MMORPG. If not good luck finding one with everything implemented as promised at launch.

Impatient people should really not play MMORPG's right after launch.

Kraak - Fyros Crafter of Fine Weapons

Save yourself these "It was well known ... If you had read the boards.." comments next time.

Not everyone is monitoring the board of a game for months before he buys it. It was well known by the people who monitored the developement of the game, yes, but believe it or not, not everyone is doing this. Some people actually go into a store, see a new game, look at the info on the box and buy it according to this.
Pretty strange, eh? And then they even complain when options promised on the box or in the manual are not in the game...

Not that this (sadly) isn't quite common in MMORPGs. But telling those people that "they should have known this" isn't very helpful exept that it shows that the writer isn't able to see anything exept from his own viewpoint.

docsardo wrote:Robin - you put up an inflammatory, baseless post and are surprised when you get flamed? Constructive criticism is welcome, but your post had no constructive thoughts in it whatsoever. Why are you still here? Goodbye already.


Kraak - Fyros Crafter of Fine Weapons

How can one 'constructively critize' the bugs and unmet promises? Really, how would one go about that? Let me try...

---I wish that equipment didn't degrade so darn fast, but I like the fact that this is a new, different kind of bug?---

Is that how I do it?

And yes Docsardo, I am wasting my time 'still being here', but I find it amusing to see how the 'Saga' of Ryzom develops.


**Robin puts on his flame retardant equipment that decays excessively fast**

I was in-process of doing one of these myself but after looking at the number of goodbyes and farwells I decided to throw mine in here as well, leastwise to avoid the idear that I'd be spamming.

I have not posted much but I have been playing, quite a bit actually.

I was looking forward to this game since I first read about it sometime ago, the premise/story, the new approaches etc were all big time draws for me.

Sadly it just isn't living up to what I expected. If SoR is still around a year from now, I might try again.

I hope it succeeds and I wish you all the best of luck.

To the original poster:

Sorry the game didn't meet your expectations. Best of luck in finding a game that is more up your alley. There's so many out there now and more coming out, I'm sure *something's* gotta grab ya and not let go. :-p

To Robin, and about the situation in general:

May I ask, exactly what is it you were expecting when you subscribed to Ryzom? Or to any game for that matter?

Was it a perfect, content-complete game with no bugs and everything perfectly balanced right out of the gate? Or a game whose designers made the "perfect" design decisions, by your expectations, for gameplay, loot, mobs, level advancement and so on?

If that's the case, I'd say you were setting yourself up for disappointment before you even installed the game. And, it would likely be the case with any game you decide to try - no matter how long after release it is.

Truth is, there's no such thing as a "perfect" game - ever. Especially a MMORPG.. especially only a few weeks or so after launch. There's only what is close enough to your idea of "perfect" for you to deem acceptable - even enjoyable. And that is different for everyone. Apparently, Ryzom doesn't quite hit that mark, for you or for several others. That's fine. That is perfectly understandable and I, for one, respect that 100%. Nothing is for everyone.

The trouble I find is in how some people decide to act on that realization...

Many, I dare say most, people will say "sheesh, you know what.. that's just not my cup of tea..". Or, for the more blunt.. "That sucks festering clam juice!!" But in either case, they move on and find another game. Perhaps say their goodbyes to those they've come to know in the community. Perhaps leave their views or some constructive comments of what they didn't like in the game that made them want to leave. And then they leave peacefully. Many have done that.

Yulric did just that in his post here. I disagree with some of what he said, and think he was perhaps a bit melodramatic and preachy about some of it, but I ultimately respect that he posted it in a mature and constructive manner. He didn't insult anyone. He didn't lash out or make rude, unnecessary comments. He said his piece, and that was it.

He also used a couple very key words, "... I view ...". That right there let me know before I read any further that he was sharing his thoughts or opinions. So many people don't seem to understand the significance of such words.. "I think", "I feel", "In my opinion", "I view..." - they're the difference between sounding like a know-it-all jerk, and someone with an opinion. Perhaps a very strong one, but an opinion nonetheless. Then again, some people don't understand the difference between "fact" and "opinion" and think they're one in the same. That's another story altogether. But I digress...

So... my wishes to Yulric at the outset of this post were sincere (not that I think that has any "heavy meaning" to it or anything.. After all .. who the heck am I? Just another gamer :-p )

Now... there's the other type; the ones I have the issue with...

These are the ones who, for some reason, cannot seem to be satisfied, by anything. They will just pounce on anything they find wrong in the game, no matter how minute it really is, and - as I mentioned above - seem to believe that their opinions are, indeed, fact. They are "arm-chair experts" who will outright tell you that the game sucks, that it's going to fail, and why - but can never provide anything more concrete than their *opinions*, or wildly baseless theories, to back themselves up. But! Dare to challenge or disagree with them, and you're called a "fanboi". They'll tell you how they hate the game.. and then they'll tell you again.. and again.. and again.. and again.. ad nauseum. They just don't seem to ever decide that maybe it's... time... to... move... on... They linger.

I think they're often called Trolls, though I always thought those were ghastly creatures who lived in caves and under bridges or under my bed. But then, what do I know? I've never met one personally to verify either way. Maybe they're ghastly creatures that live in caves, under bridges, under my bed (that explains all the missing socks!) and on message forums. At least they're literate - that's gotta count for something...

Do you know that there are people in the Horizons community who stopped playing the game about a month or so after its launch - and are STILL posting to its forums? They're saying the same thing over, and over, and over again. How nuts is that?! Imagine what they could have done in all that time that might have actually been meaningful; like saving the world, or learning how to underwater basket weave. But I digress...

Anyway!!

Those are, in a nutshell, the people that I feel are a real "bummer" to these forums. They don't add anything constructive, they don't have a point to make, and they put all their effort into stifling the opinions of others. These people are bad. I don't like their posts.

Now... on the other hand.. .there are some that fall squarely on the other side. Those that are so fanatically "in love" with a game and just as defensive of their opinions as their polar opposites, that they'll lash out at anyone who dares to criticize or say anything negative about the game - no matter how well it's presented. I don't like these people either... or at least I don't like their posts.

My point is (yes, I do have one, and it's not that Trolls are ghastly creatures) is this: Everyone Has An Opinion.

Sound familiar? It should. It's also truth. No one's opinion is wrong. No one's opinion is right. However, how opinions are presented, debated or discussed makes all the difference in the world. And I think this is where some people - on both sides - fall rather short.

Here's a bit from a Rush song:
"I know you're different. You know I'm the same."

I think that sums it up nicely.

And if you disagree with any of this... You suck festering clam juice!!!

:-p

Okay, I flew past "rambling" like it was standing still about 100 paragraphs or so ago.. so I think I'll stop now.

/applauds

Heh, rock on lupine. I hope that puts THAT to rest.