Ryzom

4 day wait. and just for trek...

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Just completed a trek for a guy level 50 or so.. ok fantastic.
He was a member of Atys Ghosts, ok that can work.

But what was strange on this was, brought up some thoughts on it..?

One they brought him from RoS to Pyr and he was Matis, ok, he was not happy in Pyr. Unless you have really strong support, and they (your guild) leads you through the hoops, then going to ML can be harder than it needs to be.

He asked his Guild to trek him, as many of EoA has asked Fas, Mashed, Beefy Beffy Jr, etc.etc. all the way back. For 4 days he yelled in Region chat, and maybe Uni chat for a trek to Lakes, then found out since he was matis, he could go to Yrk, is closer.
Fantastic.. but still no takers..

when the trek was done, I ported to FH, as that is where I am most comrfortable.. I like the water there.. more than enough to go around.

Great, on with the show.. but I saw an Atysghost there at the stable..
I let her know that we had finsihed the Trek for the level 50 of her guild.
I asked her why she did not go along, She said
"But that trek is so HARD...."

Then I got to thinking, If that trek was so hard, for her guild.. the other side of the maps trek (Pyr to Lakes) goes through the trench, when you go from Dyron to Lakes goes through the trench, and that is MUCH worse.. What kind of people they have in Atys Ghosts that they do not have the time to trek their people, or are afraid of small short treks in areas with Aggro...

But then I remembered and I had asked the guy, what about your guild, well 2 answers had he, 1 they were in different time zone, ok, and they had no one wanting to make the trip..

This is long standing Karavan guild.. What is it they CAN do, let alone CAN'T do..
When it comes to a trek, it does not matter EoA gets at lest 3+ people and we are gone, on the trek, most anytime of day or night.
The game is to have fun, trekking people around is a part of that fun.

But another thought comes to mind... Maybe they only have high powered players around to play when they want to OP battle, taking or defending
The super players they have, may be getting tired of playing..
ARE they or AREN'T they tired of playing and ready to let the game ride on their past wins..
"Let someone else do it, dont feel up to it today, i want to craft, or hunt, something safe dont have to work at.. " Cool, we got cats from our OP's nobody wants to challenge us... We can go play and train up using cats.
Kami guids have shown nothing in past months now, so is easy to get, keep and maintain OP's, they are no competition.

This was a trek, for a small Karavan member his guild seemed to me NOT to be supporting him. But in doing this, made me think... Are they still the name they built up.. Do they still have those people that do what they used to do?

Only one way to find out folks...

How long does your guild wait to trek your new people..
Is it really that hard for your guild to put a trek together to support your new members..
I told the Atysghost what I thought was appropriate, for KAMI guilds is easy to setup and do a trek for our members, we trek them to where they need best for support, or training, or they want to go.
But appears from this that Karavan does not think it easy enough for them to do.
Yes, I did not go for a trek the moment he asked, in region chat, but we did put a team of 6 people, and we did trek him, and he did get to where he wanted to go.
Makes me glad to be Kami, even more so EoA...
I cant remember a single time a Kami has said we cant go there because it is too hard to do..? and that makes me laugh even harder at Jena, and Karavan, and Atys Ghost, it is too hard of a trek..? get real treks are PART of the game.
If it is too hard, then maybe you should find another game..?

Im not sure if i was in the same trek, the exact same thing happend to me today :O where a Karavan player needed a trek and he told me no1 wanted to trek him ... and how can Pyr - Yrk be hard... i used to do it alone with newbs on Cho and usually we wouldnt get any DP

Anyway billie1 i dont know who u are but i had almost the same thing today

To all new players here, if u need a trek send a tell to me and ill be happy to help u out I actually enjoy trekking people around

I am sorry I did not hear this players call for help. Or that I wasn't around when you left on your trek. Of all the things to do on Atys, I enjoy trekking more than almost anything. With the possible exception of the swim from Loria to Fairhaven... nothing interesting about that, just takes time.

I prefer a good sneak, just me and one other, through dangerous parts, picking our path carefully, knowing when to wait and when to speed through...

There is no trek too hard if you are patient and determined... and know the way. Sometimes a few friends can help, too.

Not quite sure why I'm saying all this... I guess I would just like to add my offer of a trek to Mandriods. If anyone needs help getting somewhere, send a tell to Kedino and I'll see what I can do.

it's nice that EoA can do that, but not all guilds can put up experienced trek group 24/7 and this is no reason to come to forums and yell "Kami good, karavan bad".

you not in AtysGhosts, i'm not in AtysGhosts (dont even know if AG supports kara or kami), so we dont know how many players and in what time they visit atys. maybe it's just 15min a day (you cant trek someone in 15min).

btw, it just takes duo for experienced trekkers for world tour (solo if you really bored). why did you need 6 ?

anyway... imho Continent portals should be locked for players below lvl 200 (in any skill).

Like alot of players I too love a good trek. Personally. I don't care a fig if their Kara or Kami homins. But, what does stop me from leading one is knowing the best route to take and keeping the others alive. I know treks involve getting DP and all but, not getting them any would be the way to go. I think maybe this might hold others back as well. Not being responsible for these new players winding up with a ton of DP and not being able to complete the trek.
Still, no excuse not to help a guildie out. If that was the attitude I hope that player left that guild and joined one more inline with their needs and hopes for Ryzom.
All too often some guilds just grab a newbie to have a large guild and the heck with helping them. Thankfully, those types are few. Helping a new arrival to the mainland means alot more then simply outfitting them with new armor/weapons and jewels. It is a commitment to help them progress even if it prevents you from advancing while you aid them.
Just some thoughts from an ole man........

tr808 wrote:Im not sure if i was in the same trek, the exact same thing happend to me today :O where a Karavan player needed a trek and he told me no1 wanted to trek him ... and how can Pyr - Yrk be hard... i used to do it alone with newbs on Cho and usually we wouldnt get any DP

Anyway billie1 i dont know who u are but i had almost the same thing today

To all new players here, if u need a trek send a tell to me and ill be happy to help u out I actually enjoy trekking people around

Yes Mandriod, I sent you a few Heals on the trip.. Anabale here..

Not knocking Atys Ghosts, only tha they brought a newb in form RoS, then left him...
Maybe is the way they like to play.
As for big party guild..? That I do not know about, normally we have from 5 to 30 onine at given time..
And so many times have heard someone ask for a trek, and wihin fair short time, Us, and a couple of other usually Kami guilds were on our way, and no, this trek only had 3 EoA, and I apologise, Elemental for not remembering you Guild, and Zepth for not remembering yours..
As for him yelling for 4 days, yes, he was.. but in the afternoon to evening..
6 to 10 PM central standard time

That shows bad for all on atys, either hearing it, and ignoring as too busy, or not member of their team, but shows even worse for his guild... putting him in that shape

As for on Cho, well fond very very fond memories, no one went without a trek when they wanted it, firsta ask in guild, then region, then in Uni, as I did this AM.. Elemental and Zepth jumped at a trek just for trek, rest of everyone was jsut a bit busy doing what they had to do, to bother with a new person.. Sound harsh, maybe, but did not happen on Cho, does happen here, and did, this am...

Hi Billie1

I'll just start by saying that I don't normally post in these forums. Its too comon for it to be turned into a slagging match that I can't be bothered with, I'll let the kiddies get on with that side of things.

One they brought him from RoS to Pyr and he was Matis

As far as I know noone told anyone to start in pyr, what would be the point of that as our GH is in FH?

As for asking for days to be trekked from pyr to where ever, I'm on a lot, and noone has asked me to trek them anywhere. I find it odd that you say this member has been asking for days for a trek, rather than asking online members.

What kind of people they have in Atys Ghosts that they do not have the time to trek their people, or are afraid of small short treks in areas with Aggro...

I trekked a level 30 member from Fh , through Pr , forest, and Pyr yesterday. Yes I died a lot doing it, and another couple of members helped mainly at the Kinch Ramp, but was I worried about it, or afraid about it? No.

But another thought comes to mind... Maybe they only have high powered players around to play when they want to OP battle, taking or defending
The super players they have, may be getting tired of playing..
ARE they or AREN'T they tired of playing and ready to let the game ride on their past wins..
"Let someone else do it, dont feel up to it today, i want to craft, or hunt, something safe dont have to work at.. " Cool, we got cats from our OP's nobody wants to challenge us... We can go play and train up using cats.
Kami guids have shown nothing in past months now, so is easy to get, keep and maintain OP's, they are no competition.

You're either very misinformed or have an over active imagination.

Most of our members have NO interest in PvP, some are here for the rp, others just to play, and all are here to have fun together and help each other.

We have helped our allies defend their OP's a few times, but we have neither challenged any op, nor have higher members received usable cats from our op, (which was a level 100 op, used solely to help new members upun arrival on the ML, before being attacked, and taken by the KA).

We usually had treks when needed every weekend, or fortnight, so a lot of people can be trekked at once , rather than individually, however as its holiday season, a lot of members familys are currently off work/school, and spending time with RL matters.

Please don't make future assumptions about things you know nothing about, at least try to use a bit of initiative to find out the reasons first before heading straight to the forums with your kami/kara stirring spoon

dcrispo wrote:Like alot of players I too love a good trek. Personally. I don't care a fig if their Kara or Kami homins. But, what does stop me from leading one is knowing the best route to take and keeping the others alive. I know treks involve getting DP and all but, not getting them any would be the way to go. I think maybe this might hold others back as well. Not being responsible for these new players winding up with a ton of DP and not being able to complete the trek.
Still, no excuse not to help a guildie out. If that was the attitude I hope that player left that guild and joined one more inline with their needs and hopes for Ryzom.
All too often some guilds just grab a newbie to have a large guild and the heck with helping them. Thankfully, those types are few. Helping a new arrival to the mainland means alot more then simply outfitting them with new armor/weapons and jewels. It is a commitment to help them progress even if it prevents you from advancing while you aid them.
Just some thoughts from an ole man........

HaHA I agree with you, whole hearted, maybe you dont agree with my post, but if your going to run a guild, use your low members to train new members while they are leveling up, then after the new people are trained, use them to train the newer people just coming in.
Yes, that is the way it should work.
and as it works that way in Our guild, it seems to work jsut fine, you get teams of 3-4 people and they hunt, forage together, leveling up melee or mage, cp each other, and sharing..
Making certain they leanr or hear about improvements they can make to the stanzas to make it easier to do what they want, and to level up.
That is taking care of your new people, you dont talk them into coming to someplace on ML, where you are, or happen to be, and then leave them to flounder for themselves.
The new person does not learn or if they do it is a slow very slow road to walk..
Maybe is just me, but I enjoy showing new people how to get around, enjoy showing them areas they can wrok in without too much aggro to kill them.
too much dp is disappointing.. not hopeless, just disappointing.
without Ma-Duk blessing and kiss of Jena or the cats to help out, getting rid of 1 Mil dp is a matter of pure almsot no profit grind of 2-3 hours. Only reward you get for it is 3 things
Mats, for sale or craft, and practice at killing the same mob over and over.
Some prefer forage to get rid of DP, many prefer hunting.
Nuff said, needless to say, the new person to the best of my knowledge did NOT suffer any dp this am.. I did, but my choice.. is easy to get rid, so not problem

groundz wrote:Hi Billie1

I'll just start by saying that I don't normally post in these forums. Its too comon for it to be turned into a slagging match that I can't be bothered with, I'll let the kiddies get on with that side of things.



As far as I know noone told anyone to start in pyr, what would be the point of that as our GH is in FH?

As for asking for days to be trekked from pyr to where ever, I'm on a lot, and no one has asked me to trek them anywhere. I find it odd that you say this member has been asking for days for a trek, rather than asking online members.



I trekked a level 30 member from Fh , through Pr , forest, and Pyr yesterday. Yes I died a lot doing it, and another couple of members helped mainly at the Kinch Ramp, but was I worried about it, or afraid about it? No.



You're either very misinformed or have an over active imagination.

Most of our members have NO interest in PvP, some are here for the rp, others just to play, and all are here to have fun together and help each other.

We have helped our allies defend their OP's a few times, but we have neither challenged any op, nor have higher members received usable cats from our op, (which was a level 100 op, used solely to help new members upun arrival on the ML, before being attacked, and taken by the KA).

We usually had treks when needed every weekend, or fortnight, so a lot of people can be trekked at once , rather than individually, however as its holiday season, a lot of members familys are currently off work/school, and spending time with RL matters.

Please don't make future assumptions about things you know nothing about, at least try to use a bit of initiative to find out the reasons first before heading straight to the forums with your kami/kara stirring spoon

Probably misinformed.. But then..
I went with what I did, what we do normally, no we dont go every single time someone yells, yes I did wait till saturday morning..
But on the rest, your right, He made the choice to go to Pyr, but on recruits coming to ML, I advise those I recruit first off, what they have here. and where I suggest may be best for them according to race.. what is available here.
It is great getting a guild that has a GH on the other side of your world, and our guild has many members that way, but all are trekked, usually 3-8 at a time. or so.
Maybe was wrong shooting a bit down on Karavan, many people in Karavan.. I saw all there jumping to hide when yelled for trek...?
As for the AtysGhosts, they said it was too hard, both to him, and to me, after the trek was over I was told that by one of its members...

So I go on that.. what I was told by one of them..
Maybe is thing for the Atys Ghosts to think about, time for redirection, to turn its thinking back to helping its lower members, before they get discusted and go someplace else, be it an other guild or other game.

blaah wrote:it's nice that EoA can do that, but not all guilds can put up experienced trek group 24/7 and this is no reason to come to forums and yell "Kami good, karavan bad".

you not in AtysGhosts, i'm not in AtysGhosts (dont even know if AG supports kara or kami), so we dont know how many players and in what time they visit atys. maybe it's just 15min a day (you cant trek someone in 15min).

btw, it just takes duo for experienced trekkers for world tour (solo if you really bored). why did you need 6 ?

anyway... imho Continent portals should be locked for players below lvl 200 (in any skill).

short response here..
Was told by the new person, not certain, said Atys Ghosts is LARGE guild around 200+ people
Also informed Atys Ghosts is KAravan
As for experienced trekkers, well the bigger the group the more firepower you have, and the3 more healers you need.
For me now is common to go on treks fairly easy, but I still do not know my way around the easy routes etc.etc.
For that you need one to act as a guide, that knows where to go,
but the bigger your trek group, the easier it is.