Ryzom

Last night, i discussed a long time with chanchu about a system of bringing equal rights to pvp an pve players. At the moment, pvp brings a lot of advantages to you. But those players who don't like to kill each other, do not have the possibility of getting crystals or OP-Mats. So the basic idea was to get equal possibilities for players who like to cooperate and people who like to play against each other.

Therefore this is my proposal for a pve-outpost system:

It would be simple to implement, because only about half of all op's are activated at the moment. So the dev's just have to activate the remaining outposts and declare them as pve outposts.

In the following text, i will only refer to those new pve outposts. All pvp outposts which exist at the moment, shall not be changed!


The rules:
* each guild can only have 1 pve OP at the same time
- guilds which wants more OP's have to claim additional pvp op's

* To take an outpost you have to:
- kill the bandits, which guard it ... or...
- pay the bandits a lot of money, so that they leave ... or ...
- give them a lot of ressources/items, so that they leave

* the Bandits will return each 4-7 days (random)
- you will be informed about this, 3 days before they approach

* To get rid of them you have to:
- pay them a fee ... or ...
- give them ressources or items .. or ...
- fight them

* Each time they approach:
- the costs in dappers doubles
- the needed items/ressources doubles
- there are 10 more bandits

* If you don't pay them and you lose the following fight, the outpost is lost.
In this case:
- this outpost is locked for your guild for 2 weeks
- the outpost is deactivated for 10-24 hours (random)
- After this time, other guilds can try to claim it.


the advantages of the system:
- dapper will get a real value again, cause you spend a lot to keep your outpost a long time
-> this would help the economy of atys to stabilize and stop the inflation of dappers
- no guild can hold an op forever cause the costs doubles each attack and the agressors get more each time
-> so a regular change of outposts and occupiers is assured
- guilds with more players (which needs more mats) can hold the outpost longer than smaller guilds
- guilds with high lvl players will be able to hold higher lvl ouposts than low lvl guilds
-> so lows and highs can coexist without disturbing each other
- more "peace" will be in the community, cause you do not have to fight each other, you then have the CHOICE of pvp or pve


An example:

I find a lvl 150 outpost which belongs to no guild. Me and my guild meet at the outpost and declare war to it. A group of bandits spawns and attacks me. We kill all of them and the outpost is ours.

2 days later i got a message:
"Your outpost will be attacked on january the 01. at 8 pm. Do you want to pay the bandits for 500.000 Dappers, bring them 50 q150 items, give them 500 q150 ressources or fight with 10 of them?"
I chose fight. So 3 days later i meet with my guild at the op and at 8pm, 10 bandits spawn. We killed them all.

4 days later i got a message:
"Your outpost will be attacked on january the 08. at 9 pm. Do you want to pay the bandits for 1.000.000 Dappers, bring them 100 q150 items, give them 1000 q150 ressources or fight with 20 of them?"
I pay, cause some of my guildmembers don't have time to play at the attacking time.

5 days later again...
"Your outpost will be attacked on january the 13. at 7:30 pm. Do you want to pay the bandits for 2.000.000 Dappers, bring them 200 q150 items, give them 2000 q150 ressources or fight with 30 of them?"
I pay again, but its getting expensive now for my small guild...

4 days later...
"Your outpost will be attacked on january the 17. at 9:30 pm. Do you want to pay the bandits for 4.000.000 Dappers, bring them 400 q150 items, give them 4000 q150 ressources or fight with 40 of them?"
Args... no, thats way to expensive for me... i chose to fight!

3 days later the fight occurs at the outpost. My whole guild got killed and we lost the battle. Now the outpost is lost. We can either wait 2 weeks and hope that no other player takes this oupost in this time. Or we watch out for another free oupost to claim. 10-24 hours(random), the outpost is deactivated for everyone. After that time, other guilds can try to claim it...


ideas for used numbers and values: (only ideas, finetuning is necessary )

LVL of the Outpost | Needed Dappers - Items - Mats for the 1., 2. and 3. wave
50 | 70 k, 140k, 280k, ... - 15, 30, 60, ... - 150, 300, 600, ...
100 | 200 k, 400k, 800k, ... - 25, 50, 100, ... - 250, 500, 1000, ...
150 | 500 k, 1 mill, 2 mill, ... - 50, 100, 200, ... - 500, 1000, 2000, ...
200 | 1.5 mill, 3 mill, 6 mill, ... - 100, 200, 400, ... - 1000, 2000, 4000, ...
250 | 5 mill, 10 mill, 20 mill, ... - 200, 400, 800, ... - 2000, 4000, 8000, ...


what do you think?

kokunze wrote:It would be simple to implement, because only about half of all op's are activated at the moment. So the dev's just have to activate the remaining outposts and declare them as pve outposts.

greate idea, but nothing is as easy as it sounds.
there is only 2 outposts in q250 fyros region

Can´t be to hard to patch 1 - 2 new OPs somewhere in the q250 desert area
if needed, or maybe its is?! However, i think this is a great idea, even tho im much for PvP

blaah wrote:greate idea, but nothing is as easy as it sounds.
there is only 2 outposts in q250 fyros region

I also think that this is no real problem.

I think this would balance the economy of atys a lot.

So what you want are OP's that give the same reward as the PvP op's, without the threat of players attacking? Then what exactly is the benefit of the PvP outposts? Why would anyone bother to fight over them when you can get the same thing elsewhere?

Outpost content = PvP content. It's really that simple.

raynes wrote:So what you want are OP's that give the same reward as the PvP op's, without the threat of players attacking? Then what exactly is the benefit of the PvP outposts? Why would anyone bother to fight over them when you can get the same thing elsewhere?

Outpost content = PvP content. It's really that simple.

But you forget that there are those of us who don't care about PVP and would still like to participate in the OP battles some how! So I ask you where's our OP content? It is non-existant ATM and as Stated this would help to balance the ecomony where does the PVP Op content do that? I think this is an awesome idea and would not hurt the PVP aspect of the OP battles at all! There are those out there that enjoy PVP and would continue to do so for ops any how. Just my 2 dapper on this

I love how you says its easy, send nevrax the code and show them how easy it is.

Decent ideas.

danlufan wrote:I love how you says its easy, send nevrax the code and show them how easy it is.

Decent ideas.

No Problem
Give me the source code, i'll implement it *ggg*


raynes:
You would have the thread of attacking NPC's instead of the thread of attacking Players,

zanthar wrote:But you forget that there are those of us who don't care about PVP and would still like to participate in the OP battles some how! So I ask you where's our OP content? It is non-existant ATM and as Stated this would help to balance the ecomony where does the PVP Op content do that? I think this is an awesome idea and would not hurt the PVP aspect of the OP battles at all! There are those out there that enjoy PVP and would continue to do so for ops any how. Just my 2 dapper on this

You don't get any op content. OP's are PvP content. They are one of the perks of taking part in PvP. If you don't take part in PvP you do not get to enjoy the perks of PvP.

I don't understand how you can say this wouldn't hurt PvP outposts? What would be the point of a PvP outpost if you could get the benefits of them without having to deal with PvP?

It's really simple. If you want the crystals from op's and don't want to take part in the PvP systems, find someone and buy them from them.

raynes wrote:You don't get any op content. OP's are PvP content. They are one of the perks of taking part in PvP. If you don't take part in PvP you do not get to enjoy the perks of PvP.

I don't understand how you can say this wouldn't hurt PvP outposts? What would be the point of a PvP outpost if you could get the benefits of them without having to deal with PvP?

It's really simple. If you want the crystals from op's and don't want to take part in the PvP systems, find someone and buy them from them.

i Kind of agree with this. other areas of the game have their perks, i dont like doing quests and missions, and you get rites from them, does that mean there should be a PvP alternative rite?