Ryzom

i haven't been able to read the forums for a couple days but the locked OP battle thread got my attention. the big question i have is if PF is looking for a q250 OP why attack AP's that gives armillo and not say Omega's that gives erigos?If PF is looking for an upgrade to their q200 OP why does it have to be a desert one and not one in their homeland? are you guys afraid to attack a supposed ally? if its mearly a venture to get a bigger OP then why make it a faction issue like you have.....seems to me that you are cowards..why not get it in your own homeland from another karavan guild? are you afraid you cannot take a q250 op as a guild? that you need huge support to do it? why not attack OotN OP?..why not attack melinoes OP and have all the rubbarn you can use?..you guys preached that its a game and to own an OP means to defend it..yet when you target one you go for the easiet target..the one without the huge alliance(not saying AP is weak by any means and i will whole heartedly support them). you then ask for all alliance help..in my book you are cowards..why not declare an attack then state proudly that you will attack as a guild and ask for your foes to defend as a guild..GvG at its best. But no..you sought out a kami guuild and asked for all Karavan to assist..you are a guild of cowards and i hope noone comes to help.

I am not against the attack, but if you think you deserve a q250 OP try taking it as a guild. If you think you are powerful enough and not cowards then talk with Chrono and have this be a GvG OP battle..unless you know you will be defeated that way. but in all reallity you know that you cannot do this. you feel that you are a long established guild and with PvP becoming the "thing" you should just take all big OPs from the Kami..if you are not cowards then attack as a guild..show your strength..show that you are a guild deserving of such an OP...unless you are cowards and need the strength of a huge alliance to get what you want

Well imo this is the silliest thing I've read all day that wasn't posted my kaetemi or me, so I'll reply as simply as possible.

1) Would you attack an ally? I know I wouldn't... pretty sure most people wouldn't. Are they cowards for this?

2) Tryker is not PF's homeland. As quoted from the (admittedly outdated-in-some-respects) info thread about them... "Pegasus Foundation (in Ryzom) was originally founded by a group of Matis".

3) You say PF have the backing of a big alliance and AP don't... AP are in the "Guardians Alliance". Read up on it, and you'll find it has pretty much all of the Fyros-based guilds (with the exception of The Soul), and probably most of the other kami guilds in it.

4) Its not for me to say, but if Chronosfera hadn't started the thread on these forums, and had instead gone to PF asking for a GvG battle, he may have been granted that request... its been done before in the case of the AA v AG battle for Windyway Workshop.

Well just wanna say something about this GvG....

1.Most of guild neutral/kara/kami have already an interne alliance w/o this Faction thing.

2.You forget the defender have guard for protect OP and if you already participate at a war for get a OP 250 you will probably know is very hard.

I see MoV and some friend around(30-40) fight only NPC at this OP in void i think they got max 13 round w/o deal whit player...

I dont try say GvG is bad or push ppl play FvF.but i think this system outpost right now is not for GvG only.If devs wanted that, first they will not allow other guild help attacker or defender no? So stop say outpost is GvG or FvF only, Devs give we both option and they already say we can get friends for help us.

-Paddy

i dont think theres been one Guild that has taken an OP by themselves ,in fact with the OP guards. i doubt that any guild can take an OP solo. so to say that PF are cowards is silly. if PF want to upgrade to an 250 OP let them use all means to do so. why shouldnt guilds with low Q ops try for higher ones,and by the way its not smart to attack allies DUH

Oh look another anonymous post from "bgraz the drunken poster".
The only coward I see is the one who continually flames other peoples decisions ingame and who doesnt dare to put their own avatar name to their own posts.

Cowards? I suggest you take a look in a mirror and you'll see the definition of the word better than anyone can explain it.

As to attacking an Allied guild, well stupidity really found it's home with you tonight didn't it?
I suggest you go have a look at what being an ally means.

We are not attacking the AP op for personal gain but to allow the growing Karavan side access to more mats and exp crystals.
Had anyone bothered to ask us instead of whining and moaning that they were being picked on and it was a personal attack, then they would have got this answer a long time ago.

I also wonder why you only attack PF for declaring on a Kami guild and asking for support from other Karavan guilds?
Many other battles have been handled exactly the same way from both the Kami and Karavan side, yet you decide only PF are cowards?
Or is that you are a member of AP yourself but yet still too cowardly to own up to who you are?

Tis a shame you take to writing posts when you've had one too many as sometimes you actually make posts that have some sense and logic to them, unlike ones like this, that are at best pathetic and at worse sad that you can not coherently come up with any better.