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For some insight into the question from outside the realm of ATYS, There's a poll (10-18-2005) at mmorpg.com that asks this question.....last I looked it was 31 % yes / 31% no and 38 % depends on game.

No comment really other than that there's a pretty even split on opinions.

Left out the link for the above and when going back also noticed another two:

http://www.mmorpg.com/features.cfm

1. Why play MMORPG's instead of other games (09-27-05):

-Wanted a change 11%
-PvP 15 %
-Community 63%
-I want to prove my skill by being better than others 11%

In all fairness the 2nd and last are the same answer moving PvP up to 26%


2. What aspects of MMORPG's are you most into (09-27-05):

-Role Playing / Community 22%
-Killing Stuff 12%
-Questing 19%
-Economy 4%
-PvP 17%
-Exploring 17%
-Making Stuff 9%

"Community" seems to be the number 1 thing.

and yet another poll on same page, though had to go back to 2003 for this one:

What are your views on PvP ?

Don't like 23%
Best thing about MMORPG's 39%
Don't care 38%

Does time account for the change (from 2003 -> 2005) ? Perhaps as people have experienced something negative, they have changed their minds ? Or maybe there are more mature (read this as "older peeps in 30's, 40's, 50's instead of "not immature") playing games these days and their increased numbers influence has shifted the breakdown ? Whaddya think ?

jared96 wrote:and yet another poll on same page, though had to go back to 2003 for this one:

What are your views on PvP ?

Don't like 23%
Best thing about MMORPG's 39%
Don't care 38%

Does time account for the change (from 2003 -> 2005) ? Perhaps as people have experienced something negative, they have changed their minds ? Or maybe there are more mature (read this as "older peeps in 30's, 40's, 50's instead of "not immature") playing games these days and their increased numbers influence has shifted the breakdown ? Whaddya think ?

I think first off, that labeling all those who like PvP as "immature" is just plain ignorant. The act of PvP itself is not what makes someone immature, but the manner in which it is done. If two people meet each other, amps at the ready, perhaps throw some religious RP in there, and then duke it out, that is not immature. It becomes immature when people repeatedly kill a player as they TP into a region or do the "yar boo, you sux0r" after each kill.

Do I think its a mandatory part of a MMORPG? No. Do I think that its something that most people want in game, in some form? Sure. Many games attempt to provide parts of a game to all play types. That includes PvP, and Ryzom is no different. They've made PvP a part of the game, but it is optional. Its not forced on anyone. Each player has the choice to turn their PvP tag on or off.

And so far, SoR has seemed to take the global PvP, pretty well. There are a few exceptions (such as a handful of OotN that seem to patrol the cities looking for trouble), but for the most part people seem to only engage pvp if it seems fair or its an outpost battle. And the outpost battles seem to have been very well received. There is little to no bitterness about the end result and it seems that when all is said and done, most people go home saying "well, that was fun". One might even go as far as to say that they're becoming more social events since it seems to draw people from all over atys into one area.

All in all, I don't think its a mandatory thing for a game to have, however, I think that a game that does not have it might be missing out on a large part of the market. Its obviously something that many gamers are at least interested in, and it can be a fun part of the game, as long as the community remains mature about it (as most of the SoR community has done).

Personally I think consensual PvP is the best. That way the people that like PvP can kill eachother to their hearts content, and the rest don't have to join in

I like PvP though, it makes the game more fun

totnkopf wrote: And so far, SoR has seemed to take the global PvP, pretty well. There are a few exceptions (such as a handful of OotN that seem to patrol the cities looking for trouble), but for the most part people seem to only engage pvp if it seems fair or its an outpost battle.

I want to explain acusations that were draged here... Yes I cann't argue with statement that 2-3 ppl from our guild recently runing such miserable hunts, our Council is working on immediate banning this behaviours and under condition of kicking from guild and we will solve this problem.
But this is only one side of medal, I was informed that many ppl from Infinity (we both know who) r taunting and teasing our members, and seting status KOS on us is not helping...I hope this isn't official politic of Infinity guild....
I treat this as just immature behaviour that must be stoped for good of Atys. The last thing should be spreading conflict between individuals onto whole guilds.
The problem is not we affraid any confrontation but rather all of us have much more important things to do on Atys rather than constant teaching some morons how not to behave.

with respect

/target
/courtly bow

targosz wrote:I want to explain acusations that were draged here... Yes I cann't argue with statement that 2-3 ppl from our guild recently runing such miserable hunts, our Council is working on immediate banning this behaviours and under condition of kicking from guild and we will solve this problem.
But this is only one side of medal, I was informed that many ppl from Infinity (we both know who) r taunting and teasing our members, and seting status KOS on us is not helping...I hope this isn't official politic of Infinity guild....
I treat this as just immature behaviour that must be stoped for good of Atys. The last thing should be spreading conflict between individuals onto whole guilds.
The problem is not we affraid any confrontation but rather all of us have much more important things to do on Atys rather than constant teaching some morons how not to behave.

with respect

/target
/courtly bow

We don't have a KOS on anyone. However, if a character becomes hostile towards members of infinity, and repeatedly shows that they are hostile by repeatedly attacking us, we will treat them as a threat and drop them. I'm not sure where the idea that we have a KOS on Nameless came from, but we don't.
And I completely agree on having better things to do. I don't want to have to spend an hour or so guarding diggers in the Void!
I have no problems with the majority of Nameless I have met. Its never been a guild v guild thing, and it never should be really.

totnkopf wrote:We don't have a KOS on anyone. However, if a character becomes hostile towards members of infinity, and repeatedly shows that they are hostile by repeatedly attacking us, we will treat them as a threat and drop them. I'm not sure where the idea that we have a KOS on Nameless came from, but we don't.

It is not quite true. During a OotN guild hunt at the void we have met Infinity GL Brithlem and Infinity member Yoshi, whereas Yoshi said that he will kill every (any) OotN member on sight and Brithlem did not oppose it.

What would you call this if not a KOS list?

I told them there that they really shouldn't judge the guild by behaviour of some individual members. That such behaviour is frowned upon within our guild and is by no means the main course. Our guild is more than 25 active players and only 3 engage into this PvP vendetta thing.

Infinity on the other hand does indeed provoke the young and hot-blooded in our guild by both word and action. They also hunt down those players from our guild that they have seen with a PvP tag on.

I guess the only thing to solve it is to have a meeting with both GLs from our guild and Infinity present, discuss this situation and put an end to it.

After all i believe we are all mature people and could come to a mutual agreement in any case.

komissar wrote:It is not quite true. During a OotN guild hunt at the void we have met Infinity GL Brithlem and Infinity member Yoshi, whereas Yoshi said that he will kill every (any) OotN member on sight and Brithlem did not oppose it.

Just because it wasn't said in 'around' chat doesn't mean that nothing was said in Guild chat or on Vent. If Yoshi wishes to go after Rundll, Lewy or Tser, then thats his business. None of Infinity have been told to hunt down or KOS Nameless. We have, however, all been informed (and most of us experienced) the antics of Lewy and Tser. As such, we're assuming that any encounter with them is to be treated as a hostile one, as events in the past have shown it to be a more than likely outcome.

komissar wrote:Infinity on the other hand does indeed provoke the young and hot-blooded in our guild by both word and action. They also hunt down those players from our guild that they have seen with a PvP tag on.

The only people I've encountered from Nameless that do have the tag on are the 3 that have been attacking Infinity members. Like I said before, if they have proven themselves to be hostile, they will be treated as such. If Lewy and Tser attack a group of Infinity diggers, expect them to chase off the threat before they go back to digging.

Does mean that I kill those with the tag on whenever I see them? No. I have had several encounters with Lewy and Tser where they have left me alone as I was either digging or crafting, and as such, I've not had a need to defend myself. Unfortunatley, not all of my guildies encounters were as favorable. Diggers attacked repeatedly, people with the AFK tag on nuked, TPs camped, etc. With that kind of behavior going on, its not un-natural for us to view those doing such acts in a negative light.

I've also encountered several Nameless that have been boasting to Infinity members of the antics of those with their tags on. Personally, I don't pay much attention to it. Its boasting, nothing more. The bigger they are, the farther they fall and all that. However, its not exactly helping things out to have some members cheering on such actions.