Ryzom

I expect to get flamed here, so if that is how it comes to be, so be it. I feel, however, that I need to ask a simple question, and get a simple answer, from someone in charge up top.

Is Saga of Ryzom headed for open pvp, or non- consensual pvp of any sort?

I know that we have the Prime Roots as an open PvP zone, as are the arena areas. I understand that you have just added 2 more areas, one of which is the Knoll of Dissent, and one other which name I cannot remember at this time. This is 2 more too many for my taste.

I do not like pvp. I do not engage in it voluntarily, except in VERY rare occassions, usually a duel with a fellow guild member, whom I trust and like. I have left other games BECAUSE they became pvp oriented, or made it clear that that was the direction in which they were going. I understand that there are those that enjoy pvp, and I feel that this game has ALREADY catered to that desire with the pvp areas that already existed, and those areas caused enough trouble for the non-pvp crowd that it has spawned very heated forum discussions in the past. And now, you go and push the pvp even more.

There are those of you out there that are going to say, "If you don't wanna pvp, stay out of the pvp areas." That's all well and good, but now they are starting to turn good hunting lands into pvp areas. When does it all stop? When they finally make ALL the areas pvp? When the capitol cities are pvp too? Tell me it's all good when YOUR hunting grounds are getting turned into pvp lands, and you don't wanna go pvp'ing tonight. I've been that route before, in other games, and all I'm waiting for right now is the appearance of the teenage ganker squads. And if you think it isn't gonna happen, guess again. We've seen it here, already, in the prime roots, and we've all seen it in other games. SWG. EQ. Ultima Online. Shadowbane. Every MMO that has PvP suffers from it. They LOOK for PvP games to populate. It's how they get their kicks. Heck, the lady in charge they just hired a while back has written about it, and I'd expect her to know what is about to happen. And it's gonna be hard to stay OUT of pvp areas when you need to travel THROUGH pvp areas to get to some other areas.

I don't like it when people make the statement I'm about to make, and it bugs me to be saying it now, because too many people use it as a false threat. But truly, understand, if this game goes any more PvP than it already is, I'll be stepping out. I don't like PvP games, and joined Ryzom because I loved the unique game system that it had, the promise that it showed, and the fact that I was NOT being forced, in any way, to PvP, unless I chose to do so. That choice is slowly disappearing.

Please, I beg you, do not do this. All it will do is attract anti-social elements to the game, and drive out those people who are here BECAUSE of the very social atmosphere that Ryzom currently has. People in this game typically HELP one another, sometimes to their own detriment. Bring on the pvp, and that will stop. People who have played for a long time, and sat through many trying times, will leave. Ryzom will become just like every other MMO out there, with the same expected lifespan: short.

Ok, let the flames begin. I know they are coming, so bring it on. I doubt I'll read them, anyway. I've said all I am going to about this subject.

We will get much more pvp in future like outposts and story line wars, changing that direction now would equal to shutting down game. This vision shows that importance of pvp will rise but you can still play without pvp. http://www.ryzom.com/?page=news&id=865 Note, that it says you are not forced to pvp.

I am not that much into pvp, but pr pvp areas, arenas and duels do not cater to pvp crowd needs. Umbra PvP areas are far too remote for any PvP.

i have, and many of us nave the same feeling about PvP as yours. I also am a bit worried about the extension of it through outposts. But i can't believe that this whole game is slowly going to transform into a PvP game. No. The story is getting ahead, lots of things are happening, but i'm sure they'll give us the opportunity to turn one's char into a PvP mode, or to keep it in a "don't disturb" way. Or i'll hide under a yubo's legs

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I worry the same way, especially given the _current_ community's lack of enthusiasm for PvP (outside of a relatively small number of people). Controlled, meaningful PvP to further the plot is a good thing that helps the story (if there must be PvP at all) but it does seem that Nevrax is pinning a great deal of hope on outposts which have a large PvP aspect. I worry about that from both a business point of view (annoying current players) and the effect it may have of drawing the problem children to the game.

Not good.

Aya i PvP cos thats all there really is left at high lvls, sure theres other stuff but PvP is mainly all. Its not as bad as some say but i would much rather be fighting off swarms of kiten. So ets get this bloody RAID thingy fixed soon eh and get back to kicking kitin butt.

Most likely they try all they can to make open pvp.Bit by Bit.
Find this strange as they keep ignoring the 80% of the player mass what don't care for the it at all.
Funnie thing is what they have tried for weeks now to stire up pvp, but very few have responded posetive on this.

We have plenty of pvp spots in game but none is used for it. why have more of it then?
This just feel like lack off means to produse proper content ingame.

I would allmost ( but only almost ) like some openpvp days so i could Nuke tsome of the silly Roleplayers just walking aorund and boring the skulls out of us will long and tidius talk and storie events.

basicart wrote:Aya i PvP cos thats all there really is left at high lvls, sure theres other stuff but PvP is mainly all. Its not as bad as some say but i would much rather be fighting off swarms of kiten. So ets get this bloody RAID thingy fixed soon eh and get back to kicking kitin butt.

It's appalling to hear that the reason we don't get invasions is because they broke the RAID engine. It has been months since the last invasion and they still don't know when it is going to be fixed, you have to wonder if they got the priorities all wrong. This game is only happening once, you can't put the fun events on hold for a year while you take time to fix the little PvP glitches and expect people to stay till then to play them.

Some PvP elements seem to tie in with the storyline but once we have the outposts aswell i personlly feel that would be enough and a line should be drawn.

No one should be forced into PvP to feel part of the communiity and the game, i personnally enjoy the occasional battle the last hostage event was a real blast but it not everyones cup of tea.

Ghuiss is worried about all this pvp shanagans. He thinks the kitins will rise up and enslave us all! (oups thats the matis ).

Seriously thou folks. what can Nevraxy do?. they've already said the raids are busted. It just very sad that they havnt tried (maybe) or given us the players much alternative. It's also a bit sad to see the game decend into a race to be 250, which from one perspective PVP does. sometimes i wonder what nevrax's break even point is for an account.

i want a sign at ryzom HQ saying "pull the finger out nevrax!"

non en francias, uff.

Each PvP zone, have own purpose... (another question, or we use them, like intended)

I know that we have the Prime Roots as an open PvP zone

Guild PvP Zone... to solve conflict between guilds (look at "welcome" message), well, also best mats...

as are the arena areas.

Very "small" area, for "small" groups PvP

I understand that you have just added 2 more areas

Faction PvP Zones.... Kami<->Karavan...
But overall - yes.. devs adding PvP elements, BUT each zone have own purpose, we still can decide "fight or not" and i very doubt, that there will be much more PvP, except zones near outposts...
We all (hope - incl. devs) understand - Ryzom isn't game for "free PvP", but some PvP, can be quite fun