Ryzom

I've been harvesting a lot in Dyron recently for grind mats to finish leveling the rest of my craft skills past 100 and have been simply amazed at what I see. For those of you unfamiliar with it, Dyron is probably the single easiest q200 site in the game; there are any number of choice mats within a 1 minute run of the kami tp. Mobs outside of Dyron tend to be aggro, but everything you need is almost within city limits.

However, what's most interesting about Dyron is that harvesters - 90% of them Kami-aligned Fyros and Zorai - seem to run amok with aggro harvesting, stripmining certain mats (seeds and amber especially). As a result, Kami tolerance routinely goes from full to 0 in the period of a single day.

I'd expect this in Matis. But in Kami-aligned Fyros? Feels like people don't take their Kami-status particularly seriously (either that, or a whole lot of people have switched over to Karavan, which I doubt.) Not that I'm a particularly big RP type, but it just strikes me as strange.

Used to be that if you Kami-nuked a source the consequence was that you died and that it became unavailable for a few days. Now you might die after several hundred warnings, the source goes down for a few hours, and comes back up with full tolerance again.

Let me make clear I don't support going back to the old days. That just penalizes lower-level harvesters (versus the higher level ones doing the stripmining) and causes a mats stampede every time we get a server reset. Neither is particularly good for the whole of the game.

Instead, what I'd suggest is making those who choose to nuke tolerance with aggro harvesting face the consequence of what they're doing. My suggestion is this.

For every few percent (something like 5-10%) of kami tolerance that you or your group personally take off of any source, you lose a kami fame point.

It would make sense. And it would also create real world consequences for something that should have them. Just doesn't seem right that you can be a good kami follower and there aren't any consequences when you destroy what your faction holds dear.

Anyone else agree?

usinuk wrote:I've been harvesting a lot in Dyron recently for grind mats to finish leveling the rest of my craft skills past 100 and have been simply amazed at what I see. For those of you unfamiliar with it, Dyron is probably the single easiest q200 site in the game; there are any number of choice mats within a 1 minute run of the kami tp. Mobs outside of Dyron tend to be aggro, but everything you need is almost within city limits.

I wish I had that kind of haresting area, but since I choose to play as a tryker...

Seems verry logical, a penalty for stripmining the planet.

Just out of interest having never played a tryker/matis....

when you harvest - do you even have the kami tolerance bar?? if so what (if any) significance is this?

Also if kami races (fyros and esp zorai) should be penalised for over mining like you suggest- in what way do you think karavan sided races should be penalised? This would obviously have to happen to bring balance between kami and karavan races' game playability. Not necessarily should it be a mining karavan penalty but maybe a karavan penalty for over killing atysian fauna? (such as yubos!)

Just a thought

A very good point Ali, and one that I was going to make myself. I'm Kami aligned, but I since I always use careplans (whether solo harvesting or helping friends) I never see the Kami sentinel, and I reduce the tolerance by a very small amount.

I tried to think of some kind of penalty for Karavan followers, but since this tolerance penalty sits purely with the Kami, and the Karavan aren't too worried about harvesting the land, what could we actually penalise?

(ps not all Zorai harvesting in Dyron are causing problems )

The Kami are intolerant of ALL harversters who are exploiting the lands. Why would they discriminate. When they feel the land is being exploited, we all suffer! If the homin chooses to be hypocrital then thats their choice.

If the homins want to follow the true paths and some profess to do, they would act accordingly.

Karavan follower should not harvest in the roots.
Kami followers should only harvest to forefill their basic needs.


However as with most things, the words and deeds for homin contradict each other.

Face the consiqences of your actions and the actions of others around you.

Fryos have their materails close to the cities, a logical place to put a city in the desert is on a high consentraction of materials. But this means you will suffer at the hands of your false prophets.

The words of the Karavan are to indeed, misleading.

'Don't go to the roots, young Tryker is what they say!'

Well I disobeyed, my curisoity was too great.

What did I find? Well all I can say is I was not the only one down there!

My words against both Karavan and Kami will win me no favour with the followers of these self professed prophets.

Shun me if you will, time will tell who speaks the truth. I see only their lies and contridictions. They put homin against homin. This is in my eyes their method of control.

I can sympathize with the tryker coz they got it hard

but with the matis all I need to say is nexus, the only place where you can pull supreme without lvling PR diggin to silly lvls

yeah we got dyron/thesos (even the flaming forest is not too bad), but thats becuase the fyros were clever enough to see the advantage of building their cities right on top of good sources

wont comment on zoria tho because once you find the right spots harvesting there is easy too.

dakhound wrote:I can sympathize with the tryker coz they got it hard

but with the matis all I need to say is nexus, the only place where you can pull supreme without lvling PR diggin to silly lvls

yeah we got dyron/thesos (even the flaming forest is not too bad), but thats becuase the fyros were clever enough to see the advantage of building their cities right on top of good sources

wont comment on zoria tho because once you find the right spots harvesting there is easy too.

Tryker has changed much ....

Lorai - a really downer that you have to die to get to the ql250 sources but, thats just life.

BB - forget that place atm, no working teleporters and even with the reduced aggro levels its still not worth the effort.

WoM - Perfect, for the lvl 50-100 harvesters.

Fount - this is mat heaven I would dig here in preference to Fyros anyday. (its a lvl 100-150 area) Fyros has the Oasis but this requires travel from Pyr.

And finally the place of mystery, the Enchanted Isle. This unexploited land is perfect too! For many months I have made this my home. Two working teleports, plentiful materials spots of all kinds. I will be leaving there soon as it will soon no longer meet my requirements.

I think all lands are their strength an weaknesses:

Fyros, plentyful materials close together, brings problems greater than just agressive beasts.

Zorai, distance and aggressive beast in the outreachs of the lands but as stated both of these can be overcome.

Matis, an interesting land, much beligned by its own people. It suffers much for similar reason that meet the Zorai. However the rewards to the persistant far outweight the dangers. The Nexus is you prize.

And we all meet in the middle. Prime Roots - the place where you have to put everything you have learned in to practice.

Trykers have to brave the Bounty beaches to learn movement by stealth.
Fyros have to suffer the heavy aggression of the Underspring.
Zorai the choices are many and the dangers great.
Matis have to suffer the heavy aggression of the Abyss.

Each race has a different jouney to reach the same goal. The leasons learned on the way are the same and the prize is equally great.

hmm got me thinking this thread, maybe if you increased the penalty for kami lovers you could ban the karavan from roots,

well ban is too strong a word, just maybe a warning when you get there, if you spend more than an hour down there you get a firther warning,

then every hour after you lose a fame point. only fair if you want fame to be deducted from the kami worshipers.

but also add to this the ability to align your guild with either rather than race specific. that way people can choose who to follow and choose their penalty, this would make the game more interesting for some.

(especially if you can start getting the karavan armour later)

dakhound wrote:hmm got me thinking this thread, maybe if you increased the penalty for kami lovers you could ban the karavan from roots,

well ban is too strong a word, just maybe a warning when you get there, if you spend more than an hour down there you get a firther warning,

then every hour after you lose a fame point. only fair if you want fame to be deducted from the kami worshipers.

but also add to this the ability to align your guild with either rather than race specific. that way people can choose who to follow and choose their penalty, this would make the game more interesting for some.

(especially if you can start getting the karavan armour later)

The difference here is the Karavan, only SAY don't go in the roots. They are preserving the materials found there for their 'True' faithful.... The Kuilde.

Kami show the fluffy side on the surface, but they look far from fluffy when you meet then underground.

The Kami tolerance fits the reality of the world. Over exploit and get blasted. The Karavan activily encorage exploiting the lands, in fact the Karavan officer at FH instructs you to do this very act in the missions he gives.

Both Karavan and Kami fear that Homins will gain the upper hand. Karavan restrict travel (non-working teleports) and use words to discorage exploration of places they don't/can't fully control, the Roots.

Kami tend to win over the young homin with there fluffy appeance and protective stance, but their other side is equally as aggressive as their appearnce is gentle.

As for an effect of fame, I guess the Karavan might take the position of giving extra fame to homins who work for them in the roots. They fear something down there, we are yet to find out what it is. I am sure its not the kitin that scares them.

I'm not sure fame reduction is a good idea. Even if you are gentle, you will cause the tolerance to lower a little still. But many aren't gentle and that's why we see the tolerance hit zero too often.

Suggested 'penalty' for causing the tolerance to hit zero would be forced DP. IE when the Kami kills you, you can't be res'ed. Forced respawn. I don't think this is too harsh given you can easily avoid this happening if you're gentle, or if you don't forage in that area if you see the tolerance is low.

Just an idea.