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Ok.... i would like to start a discussion about prospecting more than one spot.

I think ppl that prospect more than one spot ruin the other spots. Once a spot has been prospected and not harvested, its gone and takes some time to respawn.

I dont see any difference in XP prossing 3 or 4 spots... or 1.

I would like all harvies to prospect for one spot only and make life easier for all other harvies.


*braces for flames*

zippo123 wrote:Ok.... i would like to start a discussion about prospecting more than one spot.

Prospecting for multiple spots allows several extraction actions, one per source. I tyically can get to 2 sources, 3 if one of them dies, if you sit before attacking the first one, wait a few seconds and regen (usually having a low self at the focus consumption of your prospect), you'll extract easily 30 mats per prospection.

Otoh (I have no formal proof of this) sources seem to last longer with multiple prospection and I have seen no difference prospecting 1 or 2+ regarding source depletion. Sources tend to deplete more if they die.

zippo123 wrote:I would like all harvies to prospect for one spot only and make life easier for all other harvies.

Harvest the way you like, lemme harvest the way I like aswell.

Keep on prospecting for 1 source only, I'll stick to my 4 sources per prospect, getting 2 extract sessions for only 1 prospect, which means a more efficient focus usage.

dam23 wrote:Harvest the way you like, lemme harvest the way I like aswell.

Keep on prospecting for 1 source only, I'll stick to my 4 sources per prospect, getting 2 extract sessions for only 1 prospect, which means a more efficient focus usage.

And that, in a nutshell is why we prospect for more than one source at a time.

zippo123 wrote:*braces for flames*

YOU WHINING FANBOI MORONIC IDIOT NEWBIE! GET OFF OUR BOARDS! QUIT THE GAME!!!!!

Just kidding.

Actually this seems to be a common misperception. A fellow harvester made the same suggestion to me once, and I actually respected her opinion enough to test things. I went to a single 10m node, lit up the area with like 100 sources, harvested, rested, and repeated until I got a depleted message. Then I went back 30 minutes later and single sourced it until I depleted it.

Turns out the multiple-nodes-as-a-cause-of-depletion myth is exactly that...an urban legend.

Each 10m minor node seems to have an absolute limit of 8 pulls - defined as when you actually start harvesting a source, rather than just identify it. Doesn't matter if you careplan until you're blue in the face; 8 per single node is the limit. (I used to think there was an absolute mats per node limit; it seems however that higher rates/stanzas do work quite well in busting that wide open - someone with 250 harvest can probably tell you if there's an absolute mats-per-node number better than I can.) If you have an explosion or release a gas cloud or exhaust the source, there seems to be a chance that you will lose at least one of these 8 pulls. If you exhaust the source while using any aggro stanza, there's a chance that you will prematurely exhaust the area even after only a single pull.

In no circumstances does it matter if you harvest a single node at a time or multiple nodes. Once you hit eight either way, you're done.

Obviously this doesn't apply to excellent/supreme mats in the PR, which use major nodes rather than minors.

Hope this clears things up. Cheers.

Very good info usinuk!

I've for a long time wanted to find out the truth, never find the time to test it.

It's true, that this matter was anUrban Legend in Beta, too. I too followed the advice's I got, but never saw a change (other than my harvesting suddenly was slower), therefor I went back to harvesting the way Dam23 also does.

Happy harvesting all, and please be nice to the sources

PS: making a source release toxic or explosion, makes you get 10% less xp, and killing the source also degrades your xp.

usinuk wrote:Each 10m minor node seems to have an absolute limit of 8 pulls - defined as when you actually start harvesting a source, rather than just identify it. Doesn't matter if you careplan until you're blue in the face; 8 per single node is the limit. (I used to think there was an absolute mats per node limit; it seems however that higher rates/stanzas do work quite well in busting that wide open - someone with 250 harvest can probably tell you if there's an absolute mats-per-node number better than I can.)
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In no circumstances does it matter if you harvest a single node at a time or multiple nodes. Once you hit eight either way, you're done.

Obviously this doesn't apply to excellent/supreme mats in the PR, which use major nodes rather than minors.

Hope this clears things up. Cheers.

The magic number is 60. If you get 60 or more mats from node, you can't prospect that node again. Atm i'm pulling 13-14 mats in pr. That's 5 extractions. Using multiple spots (4 spots, no range, no angle, max. source time) i can make 6 extractions (78-84 mats - only 3 prospections). If I do only one source prospection, i'll need to prospect 5 times (and only 65-70 mats). Saves time and gets more XP.

About major/minor nodes in PR: You can still extract all mats from one node and mode 5-30m and prospect same mat. However, it looks that exc. mats are limited to 150 mats. Not sure about this and about supreme mats (my pr harvest lvl is not high enough).

usinuk wrote: multiple-nodes-as-a-cause-of-depletion myth is exactly that...an urban legend.

Never knew why people came up with it. I assume its just envy.

sasaj wrote:The magic number is 60. If you get 60 or more mats from node, you can't prospect that node again. Atm i'm pulling 13-14 mats in pr. That's 5 extractions. Using multiple spots (4 spots, no range, no angle, max. source time) i can make 6 extractions (78-84 mats - only 3 prospections).

Interesting. When I was screwing around testing this with different (lower) rate/speed stanzas I routinely would finish up a node in the mid-50 mat range. Now I have higher stanzas and finish it off in the 60s (which is what my first guess was of the magic number as well). My guess is that whatever absolute limit there is rises slightly with higher quality stanzas, with the pull number being either dependent on that or just an absolute number of 8 regardless of how much you take out of the ground. Maybe its actually higher than than 8 if you combine it with a high-ql stanza but I got better things to do than to test rate/speed 1 again.

sasaj wrote:About major/minor nodes in PR: You can still extract all mats from one node and mode 5-30m and prospect same mat. However, it looks that exc. mats are limited to 150 mats.

Yeah, my point on PR nodes is this: unlike minor nodes (10-15m) above ground, if you exhaust the excellent/supreme mats in a particular minor node you exhaust it in the all minor nodes in that major node. (Blah, mouthful - basically any other node of that mat within a good couple hundred meters goes poof even if you haven't harvested it, which isn't news to anyone.) Think it's what, 72 mats per supreme node?

usinuk wrote:Interesting. When I was screwing around testing this with different (lower) rate/speed stanzas I routinely would finish up a node in the mid-50 mat range. Now I have higher stanzas and finish it off in the 60s (which is what my first guess was of the magic number as well). My guess is that whatever absolute limit there is rises slightly with higher quality stanzas, with the pull number being either dependent on that or just an absolute number of 8 regardless of how much you take out of the ground. Maybe its actually higher than than 8 if you combine it with a high-ql stanza but I got better things to do than to test rate/speed 1 again.

I'm at 60+ mats per node sinds i got lvl50 in forest forage. Now around lvl160 and still the same. Same in PR from lvl 50 up to 100. But i remember getting around 58-59 mats few times in KoD (at lvl 130-140 in forest forage). It may be lower kami line but i can't be sure now. It's not even important if you use multiple spot prospection every time (or "free prospecting" as DoubleTap names that), you'll get more mats than that. Link for that guide:
http://ryzom.twazz.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=46&sid=e1f2e67cbb22ec57a37a96ea5d893877