Ryzom

In the game Ryzom, you have default factions that are either Pro Kami aligned or Pro Karavan aligned.

This is chosen for you initially when you create your character, and follows the racial information as described on the main site.

Through out your characters life, you have a choice to do missions or not to do missions, wether you do them or not, you already are on a side, either the Karavan side or Kami side.

The game does not start you out at 0 Fame for every faction, this is the only way true neutral would be, if the Fame started at 0 across the board and you opted out of doing anything to change it.

There are alot of guilds on this server that state 1 of 3 things.
Kami
Neutral
Karavan

All of the guilds on this server preach one common theme, there for all Homin Kind.

By definition alone, the actions of the alignemtns to the 3 different ranges above mean:
Kami - Anti Karavan in every way.
Neutral - Niether For Kami nor are they For Karavan
Karavan - Anti Kami in every way.

How alliances work on this server are as follows:
Kami - refuse to allign themself and work with any Karavan guilds.
Neutral - Work and ally themself with both Kami and Karavan along with Neutral guilds.
Karavan - refuse to align themself and work with any Kami guilds.

There are a few misconstruded concepts as to members of each guild also.
People are individuals, they like to do there own thing, play the game they see fit, and enjoy every aspect of the way they play.

Lets take 3 different guilds and explain how this works.

Kami - Kult of Kami, strictly for the Kami cause, there purpose is to follow the Kami way and bring as many Homin to the Kami as possible and away from Karavan rule.

Neutral - Pegasus Foundation, preffer to stay out of the meddlings of the Kami and the Karavan and align themself with as many open minded guilds on both the Kami and Karavan side to better everyone involved.

Karavan - Melinoe, strictly Karavan cause, there purpose, unlike KoK, is to follow the ways of the Karavan and bring Homins to the Karavan way of life.

Recently, guilds have been approaching the leader of PF to find out what my RP spat with Raynes is all about, and where, as a guild, PF stands.

The reality is, the guild still is a Neutral defined guild, with players who like to Roleplay Karavan, by the meer nature of the player base of the guild, our factions are heavy Karavan, but this does not define the guild as being Karavan aligned.

There is a difference.

The difference is in alignement with other guilds in other races, this apparently is not clear to some.

All aliegences are kept with all races, and the guild is still for the unity under no rule of either Karavan or Kami.

Although as a HO of the guild, and my recent RP with Raynes, has probably thuroughly confused the state of the guild with many people, the guild is still Neutral.

To my knoweledge we are allowing our members to play as they want or see fit, without forcing any route down there throats, if they wish to do Kami missions to build and work on there Kami fame, that is there choice, likewise, if they wish to do Karavan missiosn to build Karavan fame, again, this is there choice.

We just are heavy Karavan faction based, and when the Outposts are enabled, we will probably goof off with the Karavan missions for the guild outpost just to see what they are.

Even if the guild went pro Karavan, this does NOT mean were anti-Kami by the definitions I stated above, it just means we are Neutral-Karavan weighted.

I hope this eases some tensions with individuals who were getting confused as to what Faction is, and where PF as a guild stands.

If I am wrong in this, then I will probably find out the hard way.

Edit:
Please move thread to General, mispost in Windermeer.
Sorry about that.

Great post. 5*

Good post Zum. For those of you who don't know Raynes and Zum love to RP their spats. If you are around them they will try to draw you into it.

*Shhhh I have it on good authority they even communicate to get together to RP these spats. They might even be having shhhh fun! Hard to beleive I know.

jivalax wrote:Good post Zum. For those of you who don't know Raynes and Zum love to RP their spats. If you are around them they will try to draw you into it.

*Shhhh I have it on good authority they even communicate to get together to RP these spats. They might even be having shhhh fun! Hard to beleive I know.

I know one thing, I'm getting tired of constantly having to tell people we don't hate each other.

hahaha so true, I have crawled back under my harvesting rock for a while, watching the offspray of what has been going on.

Ok, I confess, that and making lots of dapper to make up for a few weeks of inactive production in armor.

Sorry I missed out on the little event that happened in Yrkanis, I hear it was lots of fun.

I reread your post and something stuck out at me:

"Neutral - Pegasus Foundation, preffer to stay out of the meddlings of the Kami and the Karavan and align themself with as many open minded guilds on both the Kami and Karavan side to better everyone involved."

This just isn't the case. Pegasus Foundation had numerous members at the Karavan Convention. They had numerious members killing the Sacred Sap. Not one of them showed up to kill AntiKami's. Not one of them has made the least attempt to work on the Kami side of things.

Now I know you also said that the members are individuals and their actions don't represent the guild as whole. I nor many other players buy into that. As a member of a group, your actions do reflect on the reputation of the guild as a whole. Like it or not, that is the way things work.

This idea that a guild can be neutral because it hasn't officially stated it supports one side or the other is garbage. Even more absurd is that a guild members can do certain actions, yet the guild has nothing to do with them. I read what you said above and all that it comes down to is that a guild doesn't want to have to make a choice. It wants to have its cake and eat it to.

No matter how you try to paint it, Pegasus Foundation is a Karavan guild. It has high Karavan fame (and the mission arguement doesn't work because you could very easily do Kami tasks to balance it out). It has been seen attacking Kami tribes. It has been seen attending Karavan events. It hasn't been seen doing anything for the Kami. You are not a neutral guild. The same goes for all the other guilds out there who want to remain neutral. If you are performing actions on one side or the other, you will be viewed as supporting that side, Kami or Karavan.

Lets not twist words here, neutral means you do not take a side. It means all of your actions and words do not support one side or the other. No matter the circumstances that lead you to support one side more than the other, if your heavily weighted on one side, you are not neutral.

Raynes, I respect what you are trying to do, but please keep PF as a guild out of your RP. I like you as a person, but we are not an RP guild. Have fun arguing with our members, but leave the guild alone please. The rabble rousing against PF could be considered harassment. No, I cannot separate RP, from RL, because I own PF as a for profit business. When you talk about my ineptitude as a leader, you are slandering my business and my name. Again, you want to chat up what an idiot leader Jivalax is, be my guest. But please, stop saying negative things about PF as a whole. It is uncalled for. If you desire I will list the members of our guild that RP, feel free to slam all of them, and they will return fire.

I am not trying to make a personal attack on you, please do not take it that way. I think we had a great conversation the other night, and I like what you are trying to bring the game. PF has a reputation in half a dozen games as being honorable and trustworthy, for you to say we are liars about our intentions is plain uncalled for, and untrue. I understand how a large Matis guild seems like it might be a good target for your agressions, but we have no interest in this.

Again, please restrict your arguements to our RPers, and/or the characters, and not the guild. Most of us do not RP, and do not want to be attacked on these forums.

Not one of them has made the least attempt to work on the Kami side of things.




you have not seen every memeber



eggie

Again this idea that you and your guild are somehow excluded from the events of the game because you don't RP is absurd. As a part of being in Atys everyday you have to accept that your guild will feel the effects of what is going on. You also have to accept the fact that you as a leader are going to held responcible by others for the actions your members take.

Lets take your idea that you are the head of PF the business. Some of your workers are going out and causing problems. How does it sound when you, the head of your business, says "My workers aren't my responcibility, they do what they want"? Or better yet, as a business you have been working with

My actions will hardly be harrassment. What do you think a GM will do when you send them a complaint that I'm calling you supporters of the witch Jena? Or when you get attacked in a PVP area?

You don't want to be considered a Karavan guild, and neutral there is a very simple solution. Next time we go killing a Karavan tribe, send some of your guild to kill with us. Or start having your members work on building Kami fame.

I realise you don't like this. I realise that you think I'm being a jackass about this and that I'm being unreasonable. I also realise that this will probably cause some players to become very unfriendly, not just to the character in game, but to me as a player. That is a concenquence I am willing to take. You are in the world of Atys just like I am. You shouldn't expect some sort of special status that protects you from what you don't agree with.

raynes wrote:Again this idea that you and your guild are somehow excluded from the events of the game because you don't RP is absurd. As a part of being in Atys everyday you have to accept that your guild will feel the effects of what is going on. You also have to accept the fact that you as a leader are going to held responcible by others for the actions your members take.

Lets take your idea that you are the head of PF the business. Some of your workers are going out and causing problems. How does it sound when you, the head of your business, says "My workers aren't my responcibility, they do what they want"? Or better yet, as a business you have been working with

My actions will hardly be harrassment. What do you think a GM will do when you send them a complaint that I'm calling you supporters of the witch Jena? Or when you get attacked in a PVP area?

You don't want to be considered a Karavan guild, and neutral there is a very simple solution. Next time we go killing a Karavan tribe, send some of your guild to kill with us. Or start having your members work on building Kami fame.

I realise you don't like this. I realise that you think I'm being a jackass about this and that I'm being unreasonable. I also realise that this will probably cause some players to become very unfriendly, not just to the character in game, but to me as a player. That is a concenquence I am willing to take. You are in the world of Atys just like I am. You shouldn't expect some sort of special status that protects you from what you don't agree with.

Just becuase someone is playing this game and is in the world of Atys does not give you the right to force your preferred game style upon them. They are not looking for special status they just want you and your RP to leave them alone. They are paying customers too and you should respect their wishes. Many people who are in Ryzom are here to to be with friends and to play AND ENJOY a game and could care less about the RP elements that select individuals are trying to ram down their throats. The RP'ers on this server need to understand that and respect that wish. They come here to chat with friends and play in the dirt or whatnot. If they wanted religious fightings and hatemongerings they could turn on the TV watch the news, but instead they come here to get away from that.