A 2nd letter to FairHaven from AA

[philu]

Can we reach agreement on this one issue?

We could, if it was clear from your post whether you thought it was an injustice or not. However, you don't say what you think or what your point is in asking those questions.

I started to reply saying that it wasn't an injustice for one homin to own an OP. Then I re-read it and wasn't sure if you mean a guild with one homin in it or that no homin should own an OP.

So I'm not quite clear what you refer to as the injustice? Could you clarify please?

[riveit]

We could, if it was clear from your post whether you thought it was an injustice or not. However, you don't say what you think or what your point is in asking those questions.

I started to reply saying that it wasn't an injustice for one homin to own an OP. Then I re-read it and wasn't sure if you mean a guild with one homin in it or that no homin should own an OP.

So I'm not quite clear what you refer to as the injustice? Could you clarify please?

I believe that one homin (a guild of one homin) owning an outpost and consuming and selling its products is an injustice, and contrary to the Tryker principle of equality of homins and sharing amongst homins.

[philu]

I believe that one homin owning an outpost and consuming and selling its products is an injustice, and contrary to the Tryker principle of equality of homins and sharing amongst homins.

How would you propose to solve this affront?

Technically, no OP is owned by a single homin but by a guild (unless it's a one person guild). Do you still feel that's an affront?

Are you suggting that OPs themselves are an affront to Tyrker principles?

[riveit]

How would you propose to solve this affront?

Technically, no OP is owned by a single homin but by a guild (unless it's a one person guild). Do you still feel that's an affront?

Are you suggting that OPs themselves are an affront to Tyrker principles?

I was speaking of an outpost owned by a one homin guild, as a starting point to discuss equality. To speak to my solution to the difficulties of inequality, I will quote an excerpt of what I wrote to Snake last week. I do not know if any path leads to this vision now.

From: Riveit
To: Snake
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: the future of the Lakelands

Dear Snake,

I do not know what has softened your heart. Perhaps Drakfot, as kind and caring a homin as ever lived, has spoken to you. Here is a bit of what I wrote to her some time ago.

I like to share with you my vision of how I wish the Lakelands outposts should have been handled. I think it is one based on the Tryker three virtues of freedom, equality and sharing. It could have allowed all of us to live in peace and harmony. In my dream of how the Lakelands should have gone, outposts would have been apportioned by guild size. Evolution and Ballistic Mystix would have taken the Loria outposts as the largest guilds and having the best crafters. VVV and Aedan Artisans would have the Bounty Beaches and Enchanted Isle (although most of VVV left and VVV is now smaller *sigh*. VVV might even have been large than Evo at the time). Nexus, Atys Ghosts and Wanderlust would have taken the rest. Possibly I am wrong about the relative guild sizes but I think not. Tiny guilds would not have been able to overdose on crystals or make the rest us dig for them. However, all Tryker guilds would share fairly with others, including the outpostless on the basis of equality of homins, taking into account the needs of their skill levels. Shares would have been allocated and made on a schedule, free of charge. No Tryker in the Lakelands would have been reduced to begging or slaving for others. Alas, that did not happen and most owners will not even denounce a one-homin outpost.



P.S. I know VVV is not declared as Tryker, but since Gywidion's tenure, they were and are mainly Tryker, I believe.

[ncrijns]

How would you propose to solve this affront?

Technically, no OP is owned by a single homin but by a guild (unless it's a one person guild). Do you still feel that's an affront?

Are you suggting that OPs themselves are an affront to Tyrker principles?

What is an affront is the incapability of the homins of other Tryker guilds to have no chance of accessing, or even experiencing what it is to take care of an Outpost. Not even mentioning the resources of the Outpost.
There is no such thing as giving out the rights of access to other, friendly/allied, guilds. There is lots of room for improval in this.

Personally however, I would blow all Outposts from the face of Atys altogether, but that's just me.

- EDIT: Of topic and to Rivs sig: The Zoraïs ears goes purple!

[akicks]

I offered to hire the entire guild to dig for the karavan, i was refused, as they were under obligation of the current contracts, i offered a sum ro revoke the proir contract, that was refused. So there were offers and oppurtunity but it seems that dappers was not sufficient a motivating factor for the mercenaries.

I'm sorry to hear this. Sometimes I get things wrong

(ooc, unfortunatly, my kami fame is still too high to be highered by the karavan in a similar event, but this is something I can work on)

[sprite]

I believe that one homin (a guild of one homin) owning an outpost and consuming and selling its products is an injustice,

no OP is owned by a single homin but by a guild (unless it's a one person guild)

How could he have been clearer?

[philu]

How could he have been clearer?

Because I missed the "(guild of one)" bit when I read it.

[philu]

I don't know how anyone can say that a single player guild owning an OP is an affront to equality?

Don't they have as much right to own the OP as you do? Equal rights isn't about "we have more right because there are more of us than them".

Them not sharing what they get from the OP is another matter entirely. I agree that, if a single TRYKER player had a guild and owned an OP, then they should share. By the same sentiment though, do all the Tryker guilds currently owning OPs share with all other Trykers? If not then they too are making an affront to the Tryker ideals. Wouldn't you say?

[petej]

I believe that one homin (a guild of one homin) owning an outpost and consuming and selling its products is an injustice, and contrary to the Tryker principle of equality of homins and sharing amongst homins.

[OOC]
I think what you are realy asking for is for Outpost battles to be Guild only (no Allies -which leads to them to becoming FvF instead of GvG and also allows a Guild of any size to aquire an Outposts with help) , youd also need Guilds to be limited to owning only one otherwise a few Guilds would end up owning them all

I think Nevrax will have to go this way or we'll never break the static position we have now where its practicaly impossible to take over an Outpost without the resident Guild handing it over , ofc GvG only may well turn out to be static too and no doubt it would lead to other problems (exploits?) such as ppl changing Guilds just to join in a battle

Not the right place to discuss this ofc so I apologise for diverting to game mechanics
[OOC]