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lol a lose lose situation

rundll32 wrote:lol a lose lose situation

Well yeah, but thats the point isnt it?

It means that those with the best OPs can only lose, those with nothing can only win. Makes the division of "cool stuff" more equitable.

I mean, surely a 250OP is enough for any guild, or do we think multiple OPs are a good thing?

aardnebb wrote:Thats right. Your guild takes part in 1 out of 3 major PvP forms, specifically the most profitable one. At almost every battle. OK, maybe that makes em OP PvP fanatics, rather than general PvP fanatics. Clear enough for your personal lperspective now?



Fair enough, but as _I_ said, they cant really avoid _some_ combat ability, if you want to dig the best spots you need to go thru some nasty places. Smells like making excuses to me, very few people have _no_ combat skills.

On your first point: Then that would mean that MANY people in this game are PvP fanatics. Your guild takes part in OP battles too. lol Zahan, you PvP fanatic....it's most profitable for you too, uh?

On your second point: I know quite a few diggers who would go to nasty places when their combat skills were low/useless in say 200/250 zones. I was digging in Flaming Forest and the canyon part of Scorched Corridor when I was sub 200. It's called being stealthy and getting to your dig spot relatively easily.

Also, no one said they didn't have ANY combat skills. But look at it this way: If a guild is relatively new...with newbies under 150 who may not be huge on combat grinding...how can you expect them to be over +200 when it took many of us 3-4 months to be over 200 because we were a)not grinders, b)not much time on our hands to grind, c)not interested in spam nuking/healing or double clicking for melee, d)prefer dig/craft, e)prefer non-leveing activities or f) a combination of a through e.

aardnebb wrote:OK, ok, attacking a city is not an invasion. And its not attacking the city its attacking the inhabitants... (make your mind up already!). Umm, doesnt that make _them_ the attackers though, since there are Kami tagged who live in Yrk who are therefor inhabitants?

Lol... you need to think thru your arguments more clearly please.

Actually, it'd be common sense to understand when I say "attack Yrkanis" it means the inhabitants because obviously you can't attack NPCs. -_-; Also, I can't say on the second part. I've only participated when I see tagged kami come into Yrk attacking first (I've been a victim when craftin'...I guess a naked tagged Kara is too hard to resist eh?). That's why I said "defending Yrkanis".

and lol...no I don't need to think about my arguments more thoroughly.

Well hey, if you don't like levelling, losing the OP could only make that easier couldn't it?

Thanks for not making to many replies while I was out ... However Just gotta say...

varelse wrote:Guardians of Jena most certainly isn't an alt guild. They do seem to spend much of their time digging or boss-hunting in the roots, especially right around season change, when the rest of us have to step pretty lively to keep them from getting *all* the supreme mats :/

How in the world do they do that with skills under 150 O.o If they have the peeps to hunt Bosses in PR they should be able to hold off RotS or at least put up a good fight...

But as I said before I don't care about the fact they refused I just don't like the excuse... would have been better to me if they just said "We don't want to take a chance of losing,So no" and left out the whole "We're weak" accusation.

And...

grimjim wrote:Well hey, if you don't like levelling, losing the OP could only make that easier couldn't it?

lol...

ambika wrote:On your first point: Then that would mean that MANY people in this game are PvP fanatics. Your guild takes part in OP battles too. lol Zahan, you PvP fanatic....it's most profitable for you too, uh?

It is indeed. But we dont claim to be a harvester guild. See?

ambika wrote: Also, no one said they didn't have ANY combat skills. But look at it this way: If a guild is relatively new...with newbies under 150 who may not be huge on combat grinding...how can you expect them to be over +200 when it took many of us 3-4 months to be over 200 because we were a)not grinders, b)not much time on our hands to grind, c)not interested in spam nuking/healing or double clicking for melee, d)prefer dig/craft, e)prefer non-leveing activities or f) a combination of a through e.

I dont expect them to. But this is PvP content, so if they wanna take part in it, surely they should expect themselves to be combat capable right? (uhh, or at least thats what the KA "unofficial" spokespeople are always saying.

Please please please get your stories straight? Why should a newbie guild with no combat skills over 200 be holding a q200 OP?

And its been 6 months, not 3-4 according to Kilgoretrout. And the base 6 players were older than that.

ambika wrote:Actually, it'd be common sense to understand when I say "attack Yrkanis" it means the inhabitants because obviously you can't attack NPCs. -_-; Also, I can't say on the second part. I've only participated when I see tagged kami come into Yrk attacking first (I've been a victim when craftin'...I guess a naked tagged Kara is too hard to resist eh?). That's why I said "defending Yrkanis".

Hmm, but the inhabitants are both Kami and Kara, so there may not be an attack so much as a riot surely? Is english your first langauge? My apologies if its not clear.

Heres an idea... DONT CRAFT NAKED WITH YOUR TAG ON IF YOU DONT LIKE BEING KILLED WHILE DOING IT!!!!one111!! Have you figured the Kami may be defending _their_ homes from combat ready Karavan patrolling the city like they own the place?

ambika wrote: and lol...no I don't need to think about my arguments more thoroughly.

Oh, thats the excuse... *amused*

grimjim wrote:Well hey, if you don't like levelling, losing the OP could only make that easier couldn't it?

Um, don't read my posts either? There is digging and crafting. Also, if they're not grinders, the cats help if/when they do have to level those combat skills.

aardnebb wrote:It is indeed. But we dont claim to be a harvester guild. See?

I dont expect them to. But this is PvP content, so if they wanna take part in it, surely they should expect themselves to be combat capable right? (uhh, or at least thats what the KA "unofficial" spokespeople are always saying.

Please please please get your stories straight? Why should a newbie guild with no combat skills over 200 be holding a q200 OP?

And its been 6 months, not 3-4 according to Kilgoretrout. And the base 6 players were older than that.

And we can claim we are a harvester guild because that's what our main focus is at.

And get my stories right? Read the thread. Why do you keep insisting they have NO combat skills over 200? Mardock only stated that MOST of their new members are sub 150. And it's been 6 months for the BASE players. How do you know how long their newer members have been playing, what skills they prefer and how long they are able to grind?

Sorry Ambi, gonna have to stop playing now.

Been asked nicely not to pick on you any more, so you are gonna have to try and carry on without me.

this doesnt seem to be going anywhere gvg requested, resquest declined. Pros and Cons discussed, doesnt change much however.

Bleh... this thread is beginning to become repedetive ... Oh hey a Kara!

*Cast shockwave on Rundll... Sees em resist... Draws sword and charges!*