What Happend Last Night

Come in, pull up a chair, let's discuss all things Ryzom-related.
Locked
User avatar
motan
Posts: 115
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:20 am

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by motan »

soulsnatcher wrote: ...
We've already discussed in other threads that we don't discuss actions taken against an account holder with anyone other than that account holder, and that will apply here of course. So you may not see it, but it will happen.
Well, if some "celebrities" will suddenly go missing... we'll know! :D

Thanks for the good job btw, hope you'll get to the bottom of it.
Goupi - High Officer of Team Spirit
Hunting is the noblest profession until you're good enough to switch to murder (Raph Koster).
User avatar
lathan
Posts: 219
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:58 pm

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by lathan »

soulsnatcher wrote:Hi Guys.

As you would expect I've been keeping an eye on this thread. Firstly, a big thumbs up to most of you for managing to keep it (mostly) flame free, it makes life so much easier. Let's try and keep it that way. There are lots of conflicting stories, claims and counterclaims and LOTS of irregularities that we are trying to work our way through to get to the bottom of exactly who did what to whom. This will not be a quick five minute check as there is a hell of a lot of information to go through and I'd prefer any action to be taken against the right people, despite the smoke screens that are being thrown up. Rest assured, we will find the guilty party or parties and I will deal with whoever it turns out to be. We've already discussed in other threads that we don't discuss actions taken against an account holder with anyone other than that account holder, and that will apply here of course. So you may not see it, but it will happen.
We got faith Souls. Would be nice to know when you have nailed the person responsible though, regardless of whether we're told who it is or not.
Lathaniel
Ascension Guild Leader
skirra
Posts: 44
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:07 pm

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by skirra »

stanleyz wrote:Do we call it grinding? I prefer to do it in game :) ))
I prefer to do it to Rushin.

Oh, we're not talking about the good kind of grind? Ah, hmm, nevermind then. :rolleyes:


soulsnatcher wrote:Rest assured, we will find the guilty party or parties and I will deal with whoever it turns out to be.
Not that I had any doubts about it, but it's always nice to hear it being said...or, well, see it being written. :)
Seanchai:
An all-corrupting, violent, dangerous and devious force.
(Not really, but it sounds nice)

Actual Join Date: Oct 2004.
blaah
Posts: 1333
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:43 am

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by blaah »

marct wrote:
alibasil wrote:*People that set up accounts for themselves and their children to use.. are they breaking the rules?
blaah wrote:no, they are not.
Actually I believe quite clearly they are. If not even going so far as theft of services.

Setup a trial account for them.

Multiple trial accounts over time could be considered the same.
quote from here
LICENSE RYZOM wrote:4. PERSONAL NATURE OF THE ACCOUNT.
Use of the account is strictly personal. The account must not, even temporarily be shared with or otherwise extended to another person (whether free of charge or not), nor may it be used in any way (whether free of charge or not) that is extraneous to the proper normal use of the Game. The User is fully responsible for the use of his/her access account, and for the use made of his/her account by his/her underage child or by any other person who has access to it.
oops, must of readed and understood it wrong (as english is not my primary language).... Parent must make account for their underaged child (which requires sharing account information).
also probably understood Alibasi wrong... was there single shared account or multiple accounts ?

bah.. never mind.
lexi44
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:59 am

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by lexi44 »

I've stayed away from the forums for a while now (having too much fun IN the game lately!)...

I saw this thread and I'm just saddened by it. It doesn't matter who's account it is; it doesn't matter who *did* it....it's just an awful thing to happen. I would never even consider doing something like this to another person...not even my worst (in-game) enemy. It's not funny. It's not "cool". It's a moral outrage. Those that say "they deserved it" should be slapped...would you say that to a girl wearing a short skirt that's been.... oh nevermind, you'd obviously never comprehend "morals".

You can call all of them "stupid" (or any other derrogatory name) for sharing their account info, but I'm sorry...it still boils down to the fact that someone even considered...and then DID...this action against them.

Even though all these things are simply pixels on a computer screen, I'm rather fond of my items. I would be devastated if I logged in and all my things were just....gone. Everything I had worked for...all the things that had memories attached to them. But what would get me the worst is the thought that someone....another human being...was "out there", somewhere, hating me enough to do something like this to me.....that someone could HATE someone else that much over a freakin' game. Whoever did this is lower than snail sh..."dookie".

I don't want to know who did it. I just hope it gets dealt with.
Sinera - Tryker - Officer, The New Hope
iwojimmy
Posts: 967
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:00 am

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by iwojimmy »

it is a sad indictment of our lives, that most of what is called 'growing up' involves learning not to trust other people.
:(
User avatar
xeraphim
Posts: 428
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:17 pm

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by xeraphim »

I'm glad to see that that souls has this in hand..
I hope justice is accurate swift and severe.

Philu said it in another thread...

and i agree.. *not a quote just what i took from the comment*

ruining another players gaming experience is also clearly against the CoC and in my opinion is the far greater crime than account sharing to any degree.

It has effected many not just those who have been looted.. (but my greatest sympathies are with them)

so I think that everyone really needs to stop debating the CoC account sharing laws as it is far far beyond that..
_______________________________
Xeraphim
Proud Zorai and Leader of Riders on the Storm
Avarage at pretty much everything
Purveyor of awful sig color schemes

"For a list of ways technology has failed to improve your life please press #3......"
rheda
Posts: 107
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:38 pm

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by rheda »

soulsnatcher wrote:Hi Guys.

As you would expect I've been keeping an eye on this thread. Firstly, a big thumbs up to most of you for managing to keep it (mostly) flame free, it makes life so much easier. Let's try and keep it that way. There are lots of conflicting stories, claims and counterclaims and LOTS of irregularities that we are trying to work our way through to get to the bottom of exactly who did what to whom. This will not be a quick five minute check as there is a hell of a lot of information to go through and I'd prefer any action to be taken against the right people, despite the smoke screens that are being thrown up. Rest assured, we will find the guilty party or parties and I will deal with whoever it turns out to be. We've already discussed in other threads that we don't discuss actions taken against an account holder with anyone other than that account holder, and that will apply here of course. So you may not see it, but it will happen.
We know that, soulsnatcher, and I believe you'll find and punish the offender(s) in a suitable way, but as it has been said, it would be nice if you at least said you solved all this, whenever you do, no matter if you tell us their names or not, but to know this is not going to happen again
User avatar
iphdrunk
Posts: 1574
Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:20 am

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by iphdrunk »

ali wrote: Now I dont know who exactly devised the CoC but I bet the devs have quite alot of power over it and if they wanna do something differently they possibly can.

Good point. Let me elaborate a bit more and present another view. If I was a MMRPG service provider/publisher/developer etc. I would be confronted to one particualr dilemma, in this case: first, unrestricted and unlimited account sharing can be exploited, is negative etc. and it has to be noted clearly in the terms of use and EULA. Second, on the other hand, I don't want to alienate my playerbase, and allow them to have a great player experience and faciliate them getting involved in the game.

A common status quo in MMRPGs is that having families, friends etc. that in a limited scope share their accounts, usually as a means of convenience or simply in some cases because they can't afford a second account (or most probably, a second PC) is not an unreasonable statement. I would think that strictly enforcing the unallowed account sharing policy and actively pursuing CoC breaches does not mean another subscriber (kinda like stating that a pirated CD equals a lost sale, one could say), and their time is their resources.

So what are the options? of course, I can decide not to mention this aspect in the EULA and leave the door open to uncontrolled account sharing, ooooor, most likely, what I could do is to mention it, using boilerplate text, having a safe net for it and... well, tolerate some slack, as long as it's within limits, does not affect other players game, does not provide unfair advantages, is not used to exploit, etc. -- sidenote, in some countries with ID cards, those cards are personal and cannot be transferred , yet it is common to, even if it only to ask a friend to run some errand with it, like paying vehicle taxes, getting parking rights, etc. paperwork --

In other words, we can have laws, unambiguous, clear, concise...the CoC is clear about this. But we also have judges and lawyers to interprete them, admit extenuating or aggravating circumstances, and to decide. To me, It's not only the fact of account sharing -- true, it is at the root of the problem --, but the use of the shared accounts. One use was clearly disruptive, mean, and aimed at spoiling the game for some.

Ryzom as game has been run in a particular setting, there are drawbacks but there are also advantages, and one of the latter is the flexibility and customer care. Some issues can be looked at on a case by case basis.


sen wrote: Not that I had any doubts about it, but it's always nice to hear it being said...or, well, see it being written

I agree. It is reassuring, and I personally think those are not words stated only to calm down the masses. Kudos !
Anissa - Jena's Lost Tribe -

rundll32
Posts: 892
Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:33 pm

Re: What Happend Last Night

Post by rundll32 »

stanleyz wrote:Can you read?
I said will reveal to Soulsnatcher. If I tell on forums it will be O.O and it would only make things worse not better at all.
Also no offense.
then why r u posting
Rundll
High Officer of Order of the Nameless
Locked

Return to “General”