Ryzom

So much about this topic is being said, but the real truth never spoken.
So here are my two cents. hmm or dappers.
..... one cent - Relax.
......two cent - its a game.
taking too seriouly to make dappers and wealth may be confusing. and so does everybody 's and gets .
I am on a roll, no server so dont get confused

grimjim wrote:So am I.

Obviously not as much as me.

grimjim wrote:Yes there is. See previous answers on this topic.

Nope not one thing on Atys, prove me wrong, please.

grimjim wrote:Borderline exploit IMO, while it is a way around it isn't for everyone.

Tosh, Its not against the CoC to do fame missions, its not against the CoC to buy Tickets, Its not against the CoC to delcare yourself neutral. Stop using emotive language like exploiting for things that are clearly not.

grimjim wrote:We don't know this any more. Spires are being changed.

Spires which are not loosley based on the orginal idea, will not really be spires now will it?

grimjim wrote:Hope springs eternal.

With your reply, my hope faded futher.

Careful what you wish for, I'm practicing my aim better...

and no, I really did mean you.

climarc wrote:So much about this topic is being said, but the real truth never spoken.
So here are my two cents. hmm or dappers.
..... one cent - Relax.
......two cent - its a game.
taking too seriouly to make dappers and wealth may be confusing. and so does everybody 's and gets .

'its just a game' doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. I've been playing or creating fantasy games since my age was in single digits and 'its just a game' has annoyed the... yubo stuffing out of me since then.

True, for some people it is, 'just a game' and I suspect many of these are the same people who casually gank, exploit, bot, try to figure out the best 'character builds' etc. People who play these things as just a game.

For others recreation comes from being more creative and an MMORPG allows that, especially now with R2. When you invest a great deal of time, effort, energy and love into a thing it is still fun, it is still recreation but to dismiss it as 'just a game' isn't right.

Its like... ripping up a sweater someone has taken a month or so to knit and dismissing their tears as 'What? It's just knitting!'.

There's these big disconnects in understanding between different playstyles, even when people claim to understand.

borg9 wrote:Nope not one thing on Atys, prove me wrong, please.

Currently?
Crystals, flowers, OP mats, PR bosses, some PR areas, Nexus.
One must factionalise (returning to the original point) in order to access 250 areas and the PR TPs.
Or you could have read back a bit.

borg9 wrote:Tosh, Its not against the CoC to do fame missions, its not against the CoC to buy Tickets, Its not against the CoC to delcare yourself neutral. Stop using emotive language like exploiting for things that are clearly not.

Nor is it against the written rules to OP swap - see other thread about that. There's spirit and letter and there's what one deems personally acceptable.

borg9 wrote:Spires which are not loosley based on the orginal idea, will not really be spires now will it?

Point being we don't know at this point, so speculation isn't that helpful.

borg9 wrote:With your reply, my hope faded futher.

You've allowed yourself to be defeated and ground down, that fades my hope. So I guess we're even.

grimjim wrote:Borderline exploit IMO, while it is a way around it isn't for everyone.

Now you really are talking nonsense Jyudas. How is it an exploit to choose a faction, work HARD to get your fame up to 60 so you can get PR tickets, fill your appt and then THROW AWAY that hard work by going neutral?

grimjim wrote:True, for some people it is, 'just a game' and I suspect many of these are the same people who casually gank, exploit, bot, try to figure out the best 'character builds' etc. People who play these things as just a game.

Well I certainly don't consider myself to be one of those types of people. Nor do I think I have ever impacted another player's playing experience adversely. Nor do I like PvP. However, I do consider it to be "only a game" and I'm sick and tired of reading threads like this with you and the usual suspects. Give it a rest why don't you!

Mind you it's "only a forum".

philu wrote:Now you really are talking nonsense Jyudas. How is it an exploit to choose a faction, work HARD to get your fame up to 60 so you can get PR tickets, fill your appt and then THROW AWAY that hard work by going neutral?

IC: A betrayal of principle for a quick fix.
OOC: It isn't what's intended really is it?

Its less bad than some and not one I'd necessarily upbraid people for that much but it is a hedge-around.

philu wrote:Well I certainly don't consider myself to be one of those types of people. Nor do I think I have ever impacted another player's playing experience adversely. Nor do I like PvP. However, I do consider it to be "only a game" and I'm sick and tired of reading threads like this with you and the usual suspects. Give it a rest why don't you!

Because otherwise there's no balancing voice. I'd rather occasionally look like an arse than allow nonsense and BS to go uncorrected.

Just occasionally?

I'm struggling to find many who still agree with you so go corrected your own BS.

grimjim wrote:Currently?
Crystals, flowers, OP mats, PR bosses, some PR areas, Nexus.
One must factionalise (returning to the original point) in order to access 250 areas and the PR TPs.
Or you could have read back a bit.

Evo has had OPs materals gained by fighting NPC maurders, Zero PvP in obtaining them. How about negotiation and trade, thats not making the individual PvP.
Nope as you stated, 250 regions are more difficult to reach, but you don't need to PvP. Being factionalise is not PvPing its picking a side. They are very different.
Neun on Aris, is neutral, and has only attended 2 OP battles, earn rewards in EP2 without PvPing, I didn't like EP2 but I wasn't forced to PvP. All the content is still there the only thing you don't get to do if you don't PvP is PvP.

grimjim wrote: Nor is it against the written rules to OP swap - see other thread about that. There's spirit and letter and there's what one deems personally acceptable.

Therefore it is not an exploit, it shouldn't be called one.

grimjim wrote: Point being we don't know at this point, so speculation isn't that helpful.

They are reviewing it, but they are unlikely to change the core principles. If they remove the 'spires', the benefits and the PvP, its not really spires anymore. Thats not speculation, thats logic.

grimjim wrote: You've allowed yourself to be defeated and ground down, that fades my hope. So I guess we're even.

Nope, I did everything I wanted to do with the content provided in SoR, I am now playing Ryzom in its current form. I still fight for Ryzom as a game, but if I am honest I am happy to play with whats there, despite the failure of the company to produce anything really worth while since release.

R2 - Not for me.
OP - Half done implementation, with no long term appeal.
FvF zones - a flop
NPC bosses - all but one removed, Aen revamped, now a new revamp comming soon(tm)
Events - they have always appeared to me as a lead up to something that doesn't get implemented. My favourite of these was the comming of Jena, great build up, followed by nothing. (sorry events team, you work hard, but its how I feel)

I also tend to make my points where they belong.

grimjim wrote:The first. As if you genuinely need that pointing out.

Dang, I was getting hopeful there...

And I'm amazed at how many times in this thread you've quoted something thats referring to you and said you agree with it. I wish I had such thick skin / rose-coloured specs