Ryzom

beeryusa wrote:

I have answered the question elsewhere. My biggest issue is that I feel like a complete pillock when my character is wandering around in a blizzard in little more than the bikini which is my caster's most efficient armour. If we have to put a negative spin on things, then that's where I'd place it - a ROLE-PLAYING game is less than perfect when it forces characters to dress for cold weather in ways that only a lunatic would think appropriate.

Just to point out, you don't HAVE to wear Zoraï LA, you can very well wear Tryker or Matis or Fyros, and find that they cover you more. If the snow bothers you, try Tryker boots, Matis caster skirt, Matis top and sleeves and whatever gloves you want. Shouldn't leave much skin uncovered .

johntf wrote:I don't mean to be rude but your missing the point here.

Well you are being rude and I'm not going to be drawn into a debate simply because you don't seem to like my opinion. Anyway, even if I thought that this game was imperfect, what difference does that make? It seems to me that you want to claim that I'm just a whiner, as if that label makes my arguments less persuasive. I'm not going to play that game.

lienem wrote:Just to point out, you don't HAVE to wear Zoraï LA, you can very well wear Tryker or Matis or Fyros, and find that they cover you more. If the snow bothers you, try Tryker boots, Matis caster skirt, Matis top and sleeves and whatever gloves you want. Shouldn't leave much skin uncovered .

Wouldn't it be better if Zorai clothing had a cold weather version (or just a winter cloak), instead of having to make do with the clothing of other races?

All we're saying here is that more clothing options would make the game deeper and more interesting. I find it hard to understand why that idea is so outlandish, and in some cases apparently offensive. I'm not addressing this to you personally, but rather to the thread in general and the motives of those who seem to be against improving the game.

I was going to add that I was surprised at the level of intolerance to any idea that challenges the status quo, but I've seen it far too often on internet game forums. So many people seem to find ideas for improvement offensive. I wonder why that is?

I'm sick to death of people assuming that just because a person has criticisms, it means they're wholly negative about a game. Most criticisms come out of LOVE for a game. I don't know why that's so difficult for some to understand. No one ever helped a game (or anything else for that matter) by endlessly praising it. Neither did anyone ever help things to get better by keeping quiet out of a misguided sense of loyalty when they saw that something could be improved. Nor was any game ever improved by shouting down suggestions, belittling them or making fun of them.

If you truly love something, you have a duty to criticise it. Otherwise you speed its downfall. It's kinda like what Teddy Roosevelt once said: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Similarly, to announce that there must be no criticism of a game is not only disloyal to the game's developer, but is morally treasonable to the people who purchased it.

In my view, the only real measures of love for a game are:

1. You purchased it and didn't return it.
2. You like it enough to criticise it.

If a player doesn't make the effort to criticise a game he likes, in my book that means the player doesn't truly love it, or doesn't have the brains to think critically about it. Every love affair, whether it be between a man and a woman or a player and a game, values and enhances growth. To love is not to value stagnation. The man who loves a woman only as she is now is not truly loving that woman - he is rather trying merely to possess her. So it is with games.

The fact that I purchased the game and that I play the game a lot is evfidence that I like it. Personally, I don't have time to waste singing a game's praises as some forum members like to do. The time I save by not engaging in mindless banter and pointless sycophancy I spend playing the game. When I come to the forums I'm seeking info or posting ideas for improvements. Anything else is, in my view, a waste of effort.

beeryusa wrote:Wouldn't it be better if Zorai clothing had a cold weather version (or just a winter cloak), instead of having to make do with the clothing of other races?

All we're saying here is that more clothing options would make the game deeper and more interesting. [..]
I was going to add that I was surprised at the level of intolerance to any idea that challenges the status quo, but I've seen it far too often on internet game forums. So many people seem to find ideas for improvement offensive. I wonder why that is?

More clothing ? Sure, why not, if it doesn't take away from the probably very small dev team Nevrax has atm. Would I think it a priority ? Nope, not at all, I'd like other things implemented first. (Actually... clothes would be way back on my list, but that's mine, so don't suppose everyone has the same agenda).

What I was trying to point out is ... you're reasoning from a Human point of view. How do you know that in the game, Zorai are sensitive to cold ? And for that matter, how do you know that Homins are ? Our "human" brain goes "brrr" seeing a female Zorai hunting or harvesting in LA in winter in the Witherings... but how can you be so certain, rp-wise, that there is such a thing as cold ?

Then again, I may be foolish enough to think that Homins aren't what Humans are, and that they might not need the "useless" stuff we like, such as clothes you just wear. Just my two dappers.

lienem wrote:Then again, I may be foolish enough to think that Homins aren't what Humans are, and that they might not need the "useless" stuff we like, such as clothes you just wear. Just my two dappers.

Maybe Zorai are evergreens

lienem wrote:What I was trying to point out is ... you're reasoning from a Human point of view. How do you know that in the game, Zorai are sensitive to cold ? And for that matter, how do you know that Homins are ?

A good point worth serious discussion. If only this thread was based on good points like this and not on a somewhat hidebound reverence for stagnation and an apparent intolerance for new ideas.

Regarding your point, I'm not sure how a humanoid creature could maintain its ability to function at low temperatures without some sort of insulation against the cold. In our world every creature that lives in cold climates either has a layer of fur or a thick layer of insulating fat. The homins of Atys have neither. Maybe they have a metabolism that retains heat in some other way, or maybe they can do without a regulated internal body temperature, but it would have to work in some way that goes against what we know of biology.

The other alternative is that snow, on Atys, is not water-based, and is therefore not a function of temperature (or at least is not a function of water freezing). It may be that Atysian 'snow' is actually some form of blossom or mould that grows on the upper branches of the world tree thingy, and which falls like snow in a certain season. But it's clear that the trees and flowers on Atys behave in a similar way to those on Earth during autumn and winter - their leaves turn colour, signifying to me at least that a change in temperature is happening. Also, on the main site the snow is characterized as 'snow', which implies that it is indeed frozen water - or some frozen liquid. Now I'm not a chemistry whizz, but I know of no liquid which freezes at (or near) room temperature, so to me, it's clear that it is snow as we know it.

So unless the Atysians have some sort of biology unknown to science (and not just unknown to my human-biased perspective), I feel pretty sure that they are living on a planet with seasons similar to ours, in temperatures similar to ours, and they have body chemistry similar to ours. So they should need a coat in winter.

If only this thread was based on good points like this and not on a somewhat hidebound reverence for stagnation and an apparent intolerance for new ideas.

I give up. I have no more need to explain myself to you.

Hmm...nope, one last try:

I ONLY OPPOSE CHANGES OR "IMPROVEMENTS" THAT MAKE THE GAME EASIER.

This is not one of those. I do not oppose more clothing options.

katriell wrote:I give up. I have no more need to explain myself to you.

Hmm...nope, one last try:

I ONLY OPPOSE CHANGES OR "IMPROVEMENTS" THAT MAKE THE GAME EASIER.

This is not one of those. I do not oppose more clothing options.

*whispers into Katriell's ear* .....ask about player owned trading stores now /tease

*cries* Mommy Daddy why are you fighting?

Some people are getting way worked up over this...

rothimar wrote:There is no question that many players want more clothing and armor choices, but such new content should come second to finishing/fixing existing features, finishing R2, and whatever other major content projects are currently in development.

I would love to have a more diverse selection in wearables... but I would much rather have a fully operational battle station.

QFE.

But I don’t think anyone said "Stop everything... add more clothing items". People are just assuming.

They also have this assumption that the developers of this game would implement something in a fashion that would break the game and make it "Easier". But that’s silly, as the people who made the game are not going to change their style and vision this late in the game, and "Break" the game, why some people in this thread think that is beyond me.... It seems like people think that neverx would just simply "Download (Some game here) and Copy paste feature to live game...Done."

When in all actuality it would take time and thought to implement a feature that fits with ryzom... Why would they do anything else?

I don’t understand this lack of faith in the developers that apparently have made the game you love.

So again, I don’t understand the issue here.

Players want more options.