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iwojimmy wrote:Any attempt to unravel the science behind Atys is hampered by the disinformation and outright lies which permeates the Lore. The way it has altered over time to contradict earlier incarnations shows that it is the grip of propagandists, and therefore the entire content of it is better off discarded, and Homins freed to rely upon their own observations - although the demonstrated abilities of the higher powers who seem to be behind the revisionism - make even direct observations vulnerable to tampering.

As an alternate hypothesis to the one released for public consumption, has anyone considered the Kamis may have exaggerated their importance in the life-cycle of Atys, and actually be a parasitic lifeform. This would make the goo -which the Kami call on Homins to destroy- the planets defensive mechanism against them. Like a fever or an allergic reaction, the goo is not a pleasant experience, yet it is how the body attempts to fight off an external threat.

Think about it, please...

Ahh nice thought

But i still say it is(or a form of)Ratiation wich would explane the "mutated" creatures..and why would the planted make something that would kill everything (including the creatures on it)instead of just kami then ?

Doesnt make sence to me for the planet to simply wipe everything just to kill kami ...As reference to RL it would be similar to nuking New York or Los Angles to stop crime...think about that

raven41 wrote:Ahh nice thought

But i still say it is(or a form of)Ratiation wich would explane the "mutated" creatures..and why would the planted make something that would kill everything (including the creatures on it)instead of just kami then ?

Doesnt make sence to me for the planet to simply wipe everything just to kill kami ...As reference to RL it would be similar to nuking New York or Los Angles to stop crime...think about that

The treatments for cancer include freezing them with liquid nitrogen, burning them with lasers, bombarding them with radiation, attacking them with chemicals, or chopping them out with knives... none of which is good for the body as a whole, but still usually better than leaving the cancer in place...

iwojimmy wrote:The treatments for cancer include freezing them with liquid nitrogen, burning them with lasers, bombarding them with radiation, attacking them with chemicals, or chopping them out with knives... none of which is good for the body as a whole, but still usually better than leaving the cancer in place...

Yeah ..But goo seems more of a cancer then a treatment..Since treatments are controled and the goo is just spreading

By far this thread has been the most interesting read I’ve had since my arrival to Ryzom. I personally try to stay away from forums but I feel the need to post.

I’m fascinated by what has been said about the science of Atys and the theories behind the Karavans and the Kamis. Mostly I’ve been focusing on my harvest and crafting, with the occasional brake for melee and DA. Sadly, I spent little time on reading the lore of Atys and although my Karavan fame is 52 I not opened any rites or completed missions that would give me knowledge of the lands.

However, I have come to some conclusions from what I read and listened trough my travels. First it is true that the Karavan are not original habitats of Atys. That much everyone seems to agree. Some argued that the Kami are not of this planet either but I disagree, the Kami are the original beings of the planet. As a harvester the fact that they are involve and tolerate me from gathering resources shows that they are a major factor in the development of the planet.

The Great Dragon has been referred to a ship, although this I only read here, I agree with this theory. It makes sense to me that this ship was and is part of the Karavan. That would explain why only Jena was able to defeat it and prohibits any homin from seeking the Dragon. She is clearly hiding something from being uncovered here.

The origins of Hominkind, their development seem to be unclear, how we as living entities come to existence? I have a theory and yes it is somewhat farfetched. I believe homins are artificially created by the Karavan. That much is true when Jena says we are her children. The Karavan have experimented on plants and animals, even manipulated nature to bring forward new life forms. I believe we are the results of their experiments. Homins are created from the Nano Seed of the planet, in some part we are like the Kami, I can see the relation and explains why the Zorai wear their masks.

I do not believe Jena is a Goddess, but I do believe she is a powerful being amongst her people. Equally so is Ma-Duk, one can say she is an Elder of Atys, and probably the first of its kind. Either are Gods, but capable of Godlike powers. I think Jena claimed herself a God to instill her religion upon homins; she is seen as the light and virginal being from the sky, Jena’s magic is hi-tech and mechanical, scientific and shared amongst her people. Where Ma-Duk is portrait as the dark and strange creature, to the Karavan Ma-Duk’s powerful technology is strange, dark even and unexplainable, unscientific. Like some of you have pointed out unexplained technology is therefore magic. To some it can be seen as demonic. I think Ma-Duk copy the Karavan and begun its own propaganda by enlightening teachings of magic to homins.

I suspect Jena visits the planet from time to time, although I have never seen her, she is not presently station on Atys. Maybe the sun as we think of is not the sun but Jena’s ship, forever station feeding our planet the light it needs. I do wonder if there is a Karvan City somewhere on Atys. Another topic I heard no comments on or ideas is the Man that is depicted when we teleport. For one he looks human so he must be Karavan, and second he is not wearing the special armor. Which must mean he is a Karavan exposed to the planets atmosphere?

Sorry for the long post but obviously I have lots of questions and opinions about the topics posted here. I apologize if I have deviated from the main topic. I don’t pretend to sound like a “know it all” or that what I say is genuinely true. I only would like some clarification on the subjects.

My pet theory about the goo is that it is caused by teleportation:

In the beginning (when I came to Atys) there was no goo; although the pesky little Kami outside Yrkanis sent me off on a mission to find and kill some affected animals, the rascal! Gradually, with a great deal of travelling and exploration, during which more and more homins managed to reach distant lands, kami and karavan altars became busier and busier and people had more and more dapper to spend on teleport pacts. "Rezz required? Not to worry, young homin, a friendly rescuer need only dig out his teleport pact to be whisked to your side in the blink of an eye!" Before long, the "in" places to hunt were the Grove of Confusion and Void, and noone would walk there from the guildhall, of course not! Hunters and foragers would tp to and fro to unload their bags or change their kit. That was when I first saw the goo, in Void. All those tickets destroyed, was this the result?

Sometime after discovering the goo, and exploring and checking all around Witherings to investigate its extent, there was an epidemic of goo-infected gibbai in Witherings. I heard then that this wasn't the first epidemic, but it was the last one to my knowledge. The goo affected areas do not seem to be spreading. In fact the goo seems to be in retreat, given the non-occurrence of epidemics and goo-blisters. I feel that the altars are not so busy as they used to be in that heyday of exploration. Homins have learned to ride mektoubs, Kami and Karavan have restricted our teleport usage, and homin numbers have fallen.

The evidence is clear

jamela wrote:My pet theory about the goo is that it is caused by teleportation

That might be true, but the goo was already present in Witherings before it was settled, it was one of the reasons for the Zorai to go there.

Kami are clearly from atys ....Look at them you will see what I mean..The kami setinals are a prime exampl..The appear to be wooden if you look closly ..And Atys is all wood ..a growing living tree .hence the gigantic roots ..

So from that prospective they are clearly of Atys oragins...I think maybe Atys has been here all along it is a real sun floating in the heavens above...If the karavan have such technoligy to make a star stay lit then why are that stuck here with little floating ships in terrible disrepair ?

Also I tend to think maybe the Zoraï were already here and rest came from space...thats why they are the only Blue skined Race while all others are white. or maybe thats reversed... maybe Zoraï are acually originally Karavan and thats why the goo is in that land ..Because that is where they crashed..

But as they (mostly) lean towards Kami guadence i think its the first one

Also as far as i know there are more players now and more TPn going on then before...

O.K., the "Dragon as Ship Wreck" is an interesting theory, but I think there is a simpler explanation...

First, we all seem to agree that Atys is a living planet, constantly refreshing its surface with new growth. There also seems to be a general consensus that the world is expanding, getting larger (maybe not, read on). And from everything I've seen, the basic laws of physics ARE obeyed.

So...

1. If the world is actually constantly expanding, there must be an influx of "fresh" new matter from somewhere (possibly the "dust cloud" it passes through?) or else this planet would have to recycle its "core" to the surface, leaving it hollow, and eventually as thin as parchment. If new matter (mass) is being added to the planet, the core will be getting squeezed by the increased gravity (a product of mass, not density).

2. If the world isn't adding new mass, and it isn't getting hollow, then it must be recycling its core to the surface (via the roots, like any plant) and "pushing" the old surface under to fill the hollow space that would otherwise be created. This "pushing" under will cause compression and friction as the larger surface is pushed into a shape/size with less "surface area".

Now, either way you look at it, the squeezing of the core will generate heat (tremendous heat!) through friction. At some point the heat generated will result in a melting of the minerals (elements if you prefer) that make up the raw materials being so squeezed. "But wait! Atys is Wood! Won't it burn?" Well, remember, "fire" requires heat, fuel AND an oxygenator (or other donater of energetic electrons). If wood is not exposed to the atmosphere, it won't burn, it just gets hotter.

All this heat has to be released somehow. On most planets, this occurs through thermal "vents", ranging from things as innocuous as "hot springs" to things as violent as explosive volcanic events. On Atys, I've seen no evidence (so far) of volcanic events other than (possibly?) Scorched Corridor in the desert. The heat could be "bled off" as the energy source for the rumoured terra-forming "machine" which would require tremendous amounts of energy to operate. Or the heat could simply be trapped in the core, awaiting the day when it generates enough internal pressure to fracture the planet's shell and escapes into the atmosphere.

Either way, I think the "dragon" of legend is simply the planet's core, and if we venture too far below the surface we risk exposing the core, either through the weakening of the shell allowing it to fracture, or exposing the terraforming "machine" and its energy source. Expose this superheated material to the atmosphere, and you have a catastrophic "fire" event the likes of which no living Homin has ever witnessed (The Dragon's Breath, the Fire in His Breast/Belly).

That's my theory, anyway. And the reason I choose not to follow EITHER the Kami or the Karavan. Now, if I ever had reason to believe that Jena or Ma-Duk actually existed I MIGHT be tempted to follow either or both, but then again I've been known to follow a cute Trykerette just to watch her cute little bouncing tush!

If the karavan have such technoligy to make a star stay lit then why are that stuck here with little floating ships in terrible disrepair ?

Because their technology is corroded by Atys. Like a planetary allergic reaction maybe?

katriell wrote:Because their technology is corroded by Atys. Like a planetary allergic reaction maybe?

Then why does it not corrode there suits ?