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Treaty wrote: II. Homins' secondary allegiance is owed to their Nation, determined by citizenship. Homins who have not attained citizenship owe allegiance to the Nation of their race. ... Homins must obey the laws of their Nation without question

Actually, this left me wondering...
Isn' t this breaking away from the game mechanics? Homins who have not attained citizenship usually owe allegiance to the Nation their guild has sworn allegiance to; or at least that' s what the Fame revamp tells us. I can' t imagine for example in the case of a Fyros-Matis conflict a civ-neutral Fyrosian in a Matisian Guild to take up arms against let' s say his fellow guild members when the Fame rules dictate he' d be actually in the Matis camp.

I' m a bit puzzled by all this now.

sprite wrote:While I understand that if you are neutral you can choose to completely not recognise the validity of the treaty, it clearly states that neutrals 'must' act as if they were citizens of their own race (ie if they were born zorai they must obey Mabreka etc)It is however oddly silent on the subject of cult-neutral people.

Why would a neutral recognize the authority of the signers of this treaty? Thus, why would a neutral be compelled to abide by any statement contained therein?

calel wrote:Actually, this left me wondering...
Isn' t this breaking away from the game mechanics? Homins who have not attained citizenship usually owe allegiance to the Nation their guild has sworn allegiance to; or at least that' s what the Fame revamp tells us.

When we get a full official posting of the treaty, I'll probably throw my opinion in again, but the way I saw this treaty was an rp representation of the way the devs expect us to play the game, combined with an rp explantion of game-mechanics in the fame system (and obviously the assassination as well). I do agree that the lack of acknowledging the guild allegience is "odd", but its easier to make a system then explain it (this treaty), than explain it before it actually works (the statements before the fame patch). On the other hand, they may just have preferred to keep the treaty slightly simpler and leave out the bits about guilds *shrug*

carrie wrote:Why would a neutral recognize the authority of the signers of this treaty? Thus, why would a neutral be compelled to abide by any statement contained therein?

As I said, if they ignore the whole thing, thats up to them... but I'm pretty sure they'll want to pick and choose the parts that suit them. Not to mention the fact that they usually claim to be loyal to various race leaders

nb: this post isn't making any assumptions about your loyalties Sekh, just general observations about the majority of 'neutrals' on the forums.
nb2 @ kyerna: I feel oh-so-justified about "cult before race" now

ffxjosh wrote:but there are pro's and con's to that, such as SoR becomming stagnate..

Sure it isnt already?, even the elitist rper's think in numbers

sprite wrote: nb: this post isn't making any assumptions about your loyalties Sekh, just general observations about the majority of 'neutrals' on the forums.

Heehee, not a problem even if you were making an assumption regarding my loyalties. Ultimately all that matters in how I play the game is that I know where my loyalties lie.

II. Homins' secondary allegiance is owed to their Nation, determined by citizenship. Homins who have not attained citizenship owe allegiance to the Nation of their race. ... Homins must obey the laws of their Nation without question

I don't THINK so! I seem to remember a certain 'cult' using that excuse during a big war many years ago. "I was only following orders" never did work. Never will.

Anyone who follows an order 'without question' is a fool. All orders SHOULD be questioned (or at least thought about) before being acted upon, to make sure they are 'right'. For example, should I follow an order from Dexton to eradicate all Matis?? OF COURSE NOT!!

In my eyes this treaty is nonsense. No homin, be they a leader or not, can tell me where my allegiance lies, particularly not via a piece of paper. My allegiances will always be Guild, Fyros then Kami. In each case, only if I feel what I am asked is morally right will I follow it through. I say we tell them where to shove their treaty and consult their people first. After all they're leader because we allow them to be, THEIR first duty is to their people, not the other way round.

Although some people may find fault with this, the cultural background I have, and hopefully share with some others out there is that fanaticism itself is inherently wrong, regardless of the cause being espoused.

I think David Brins collection of short stories "Otherness" included some essays on the subject, which probably helped define my own views better.

I have just unsubscribed. I understand that it may be difficult to understand. But I have no wish to create a new character who thinks the buildup towards war is fun. Karm never killed any homin, and have no wish to do so. He did however help defend a few ouposts as a healer.
Sorry guys, but this is a big issue to me and I act accordingly

Karm

karmelit wrote:I have just unsubscribed. I understand that it may be difficult to understand. But I have no wish to create a new character who thinks the buildup towards war is fun. Karm never killed any homin, and have no wish to do so. He did however help defend a few ouposts as a healer.
Sorry guys, but this is a big issue to me and I act accordingly

Karm

what!, no!

*head explodes*

karmelit wrote:I have just unsubscribed. I understand that it may be difficult to understand. But I have no wish to create a new character who thinks the buildup towards war is fun. Karm never killed any homin, and have no wish to do so. He did however help defend a few ouposts as a healer.
Sorry guys, but this is a big issue to me and I act accordingly

Karm

I'm sorry

I'm gonna miss you Karm, come back when R2 comes out maybe?