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oldmess wrote:No surprise here, but I disagree. Making it GvG only would basically mean the larger guilds would be the only ones holding any OP's and they would hold multiples. Since smaller guilds couldn't help them or band together to overthrow them, they would have no incentive to share or work together at all. Why is that better than the current situation?

Nope already posted in this thread (4th post on page 1) that a Guild should be limited to 1 (imo) more if/when others are enabled. Having Outposts as FvF prevents Guilds gaining an Outpost too

Just a couple things I wanted to point out. I've been at pretty much every OP battle, attacking and defending. I've seen the shift of numbers between sides go back and forth. Alot of this simply has to do with luck of timing, people not being there because of RL issues and time zones. The balance of power is just that, a balance. Kami have it one week, Karavan have it the next.

It was brought up to me the last battle by a Kami supporter that they didnt understand why the Karavan havent taken over the world already....need I remind people of a couple weeks ago when the Karavan got their butts rolled at Woodburn Stronghold a few weeks ago. In my eyes the complaint that Kara outnumber Kami or visa versa has no value, it's how you work your teams.

This last battle, it was said we had a great strategy in splitting our forces and attacking from the North and South at the same time. Even that the initial attack which was wipe for the karavan was only half the force for that result. Sorry, I was there, the only reason that we attacked from two sides is because we never discused where to spawn to in case this happened...there was NOT many, if any more people the second attack, we were just split, plain and simple. I did notice however that after every round the Kami forces seemed fewer and fewer. If you want people to fight with you, you dont have to buy them....befriend them. I've heard 2:1, 3:1 well, this is simply an exageration. I have no reason to lie, I just play the game, the odds were even, or pretty close, in the begining.

My point in all this is simple, we have made our own game, as pointed out before. We have weaved all over the road that Nev has paved for us but not reached the destination. We want this, we want that...make it happen. If you want to invade an opposing factions...and yes, FACTIONS outpost, then do the work, make the friends, get the allies to do it. This is not DDO, this is not EVE, Ultima, WoW or any of the other games out there, this is Ryzom. If you want this to be like those games, then guess what, you should be playing them.

My apologies if i have offended anyone, I'm just tired of hearing all the crying. The balance of power goes back and forth. Outposts were meant to fight over, spires were meant to fight over. Get over it.

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dbritt wrote:It was brought up to me the last battle by a Kami supporter that they didnt understand why the Karavan havent taken over the world already....need I remind people of a couple weeks ago when the Karavan got their butts rolled at Woodburn Stronghold a few weeks ago.

/tar Heavyn
/agree

(and I'm not just agreeing cause she'll hurt me if I don't. I like it when she hurts me. )

I don't remember making any real progress at Woodburn. We got into the OP once, but the defending forces came back and wiped us pretty quickly. After that, we couldn't make any further progress. I'm not complaining; it was a good solid fight, but it does seem that non-Karavan forces were pretty well represented at that fight.

Also remember that this is the first OP the Karavan forces have taken in the traditionally Kami lands. Yes, we've made other attempts and so have the Kamists made their attempts. To date, all other attempts have been rebuffed. "Lost Valley", I hear you say? That was given to CoM. We didn't win that in combat; it was a gift.

I'm not going to comment on the actual numbers since the /who is broken, there was no way to know for sure. But, Heavyn is right that the Karavan forces wiped in the attack on Malmont, not once, but twice, before we finally gain controlled of the situation. I don't remember getting a lot of calls for "LFG" after each wipe; I don't think we added more people to the battle in the middle. So, I can only presume we either got our PvP groove together in a fairly balanced fight after the 2nd wipe *or* many of Kamists left the battle early. Either way, it's hardly time to break out the complete surrender flag on the Kami side, is it?

Here's a fun homework assignment for someone like Marjo: Query Arispotle's character list: Count number of toons that have logged on in the last couple weeks, group by faction allegiance. What is the kami/kara/neutral population? Do it again but this time group by guild-faction that each person belongs to. How unbalanced are we, really? Oh, it wouldn't be a perfect count, but it would give a truer sense of it the actual balance than the current methods we have.

(no, it won't surprise me if she says she can't do that, but it would be interesting to know)

dbritt wrote:I've heard 2:1, 3:1 well, this is simply an exageration.

hmm do you really think you kami werent outnumbered ? or maybe we dont play the same game ...

Once Spires come in Faction will have its Battle Ground (along with any Events) leave Outposts to Guilds thats my opinion

dbritt wrote:It was brought up to me the last battle by a Kami supporter that they didnt understand why the Karavan havent taken over the world already....need I remind people of a couple weeks ago when the Karavan got their butts rolled at Woodburn Stronghold a few weeks ago. In my eyes the complaint that Kara outnumber Kami or visa versa has no value, it's how you work your teams.

That's not a good comparison actually. Infinity were still playing when we were attacked and they did a deceptive backstab on the karavan forces for that attack.

Amazing the differance 20 odd people can make.

kostika wrote:That's not a good comparison actually. Infinity were still playing when we were attacked and they did a deceptive backstab on the karavan forces for that attack.

Amazing the differance 20 odd people can make.

That battle was very interesting with regard to the balance of power. It was probably the largest force each side could possibly put together; and the Kami/Samsara side was getting resoundingly beaten before Infinity turned up, and that was with help from a few Karavan. The Kami side without Infinity and those few Karavans is obviously going to be weaker. The battle over Malmont just proved what we suspected after Woodburn Stronghold.

akm72 wrote:That battle was very interesting with regard to the balance of power. It was probably the largest force each side could possibly put together; and the Kami/Samsara side was getting resoundingly beaten before Infinity turned up, and that was with help from a few Karavan. The Kami side without Infinity and those few Karavans is obviously going to be weaker.

What I see when I read your post is that claims of a Kara:Kami ratio of 3:1 are greatly exaggerated. You're missing one strong guild; that's it. Before that, the Kara were either outnumbered a bit or nearly equal to the Kami. Now, we outnumber you a bit.

Well, that's it then. Let's roll it up and call the war over then. Ma Duk can surrender peacefully to our forces tomorrow at say 15:00 GMT, k? We promise to treat him well and work to find a cure for whatever is wrong with him. We will be dismantling all Kami TP's and replacing them with Starbucks coffee shops. The Kami's themselves will be allowed to work in the new coffee shops, except for those freaky looking ones from the Prime Roots. Those guys creap me out. The Karavan will be allowing you to use their TP's but for a small markup to the normal fee (let's say 99 Q250 grind mats per ticket). All OP's will be dismantled since the war is over and all the hard work put into developing the Spires will be cancelled. Why fight over Spires if we outnumber you so badly?

kidding; just kidding. We wouldn't actually let any of the Kami's live, much less work in our coffee shops.

Seriously though, this alone has done more IMO to prove the point that now it's time for the Kami to come together, get organized and get recruiting to make up the difference. Or, you could try asking the devs to completely restructure the game to make it fair for everyone at all times. I'm sure they'll have time for that sometime before the year 2010.

oldmess wrote:Well, that's it then. Let's roll it up and call the war over then. Ma Duk can surrender peacefully to our forces tomorrow at say 15:00 GMT, k?

Sounds good to me, will you leave us non-PvPers in peace to get on with our PvE then?

oldmess wrote:Seriously though, this alone has done more IMO to prove the point that now it's time for the Kami to come together, get organized and get recruiting to make up the difference. Or, you could try asking the devs to completely restructure the game to make it fair for everyone at all times. I'm sure they'll have time for that sometime before the year 2010.

Or they could stop pushing PvP down our throats and restrict it to 'special' regions like in EP2.

oldmess wrote:Or, you could try asking the devs to completely restructure the game to make it fair for everyone at all times. I'm sure they'll have time for that sometime before the year 2010.

Yeah just before they get to Rites no doubt *Poke Devs*

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