Ryzom

kratos84 wrote:If that's what you were told, quite simply put, you have been told a lie. People of way different alignments and play styles have been attacked by your guild while digging. If you have read your guild's official stance, any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed, and your trustworthy ally has kindly stated that anyone who is against PvP on the forum 'is painting a fat target' on himself. Surely you don't suppose the people who dig nodes you want and those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?

As for compromise, it has been put forward times and again: those guilds that have expressed their love in unrestricted, non-faction based PvP can simply confront each other and leave others alone. So far I have seen two guilds taking this stance.

brithlem wrote:Roots diggers:
If we don't get along.... beware. If we're cool / don't know ya... you have nothing to worry about.

I can only think of one person we've actually dropped over a supernode.... her name will remain annymous as I don't feel it right to bring other people into a thread without their own consent.

We have dropped a guild on top of a supernode source before. But... and this is a big but... it was not over the mats.

Another player I won't bring into this without his consent and I were on our way to the super amber node... we got a great vorax add... spent 10 mins running about trying not to wipe but finally did. A player from the guild we dropped came over... looked at us... and left. So... when our guys came... we got our rez and dropped the other guild. Later the guild came back and dug supreme right next to us... we didn't touch them... they didn't touch us. We hit them because they left us for dead. Pretty simple. We could have dropped them when supreme was up... proof was in the fact that we dropped them 5 mins earlier ... we didn't because we felt that situation was over and were ready to move on.

Further... We've dug next to Melinoe, Omega, ON, Yoshi, KoO... the list goes on and on...

Large guilds that could perhaps whoop us... and small guilds / solo diggers that wouldn't stand a chance.

If you need someone to hate / fear... we're happy to be it... but if you actually look at what's being presented you'll realize the only people that need fear us already know who they are... and more importantly why.

kratos84 wrote: any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed

kratos84 wrote:those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?

caitiff wrote:Why can't you make it into a RP thing? So what if your attackers dont. You are the one PRETENDING everything that goes on in your game play. How come you can't RP your deaths? Or do you only know how to RP when you are not being killed by other homins. I don't understand why one can't RP a fight just because the other side isnt. Doesnt make sense to me... but then again maybe I am missing something here.

caitiff wrote:Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

grimjim wrote:Jyudas: Bandit! I have returned with friends to destroy you.
PeeKay: bandit? d00d, wtf?!? bandits are mobs!
Jyudas: You slew me out of hand, despite the fact I am kami like you and was trying to protect harvesters from the kitin here.
PeeKay: OMGWTF? LOL! PvP Zone n00b! you come here we kill you
Jyudas: Murdering bandits, die!
Peekay: WTFever! Cool a battle!

*PeeKay's friends show up annihilating the anti PvP crew while shouting things like 'pwned' and 'n00b' until finally the anti-PvP crew get bored with endless rezzes and respawns and leave*

Jyudas: OOC: Well that was a waste of time and just gave them what they wanted. They don't understand how they look to anyone else who plays and fighting them just gave them a good fight.

Meanwhile...

PeeKay: D00D! That was teh awesome! Lets kill more people so they get pissed off at us again! LOL!

Short version...

Its pointless. You can try to rationalise their actions using RP but it only takes you so far.

asaseth wrote:I put an edit note on my post above. Sorry. As for this, if you can show me screen captures of anyone saying this carp while doing this, then please, put them up. In all the pvp stuff I have been in, I have yet to see this. Untill then, this is mearly blowing smoke.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity
Sorry about the spirit of the post, but this is getting aggrivateing.

grimjim wrote:I have no screen caps but have encountered precisely this sort of behaviour on three seperate occasions - for someone who hardly ever goes to the PR and tends to leave the PvP events alone, that's more than enough.

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.

caitiff wrote:Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

grimjim wrote:Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.

brithlem wrote:If you aren't namecalling... and truly want a "general" answer to this question... then why not start a thread about it? as opposed to only voicing your concern over this topic when Infinity is involved?

brithlem wrote:next thread topic: Infinity is pushing humor on homins!