Ryzom

putterix wrote:Can anyone explain this for me,

When u enter lands of umbra it says:

Guild PvP Are, here guilds can confront eachother.


It doesnt say, here u can kill innocent diggers.


Hope all ya crazy grifers leave ryzom zoon

What's innocent about digging?

You supply weapons and armor for people that might eventually want to hurt me, my friends, or my allies.... same idea as taking out a supply chain in times of war. If you want to dig in a LvL 200 roots with no PvP Nevraux has supplied you with one in the Abyss of Ichor...

Griefing....
1. Read the warning when you enter the zone.
2. This thread has nothing to do with griefing... it's about guilds / individuals fighting over something important.... not just killing for the fun of it.

brithlem wrote:

DT... Took's not Infinity "no-mo" ... so it would seem the flies migrated.

Well at least something positive seems to have come out of all this....

brithlem wrote:What's innocent about digging?

You supply weapons and armor for people that might eventually want to hurt me, my friends, or my allies.... same idea as taking out a supply chain in times of war. If you want to dig in a LvL 200 roots with no PvP Nevraux has supplied you with one in the Abyss of Ichor...

Griefing....
1. Read the warning when you enter the zone.
2. This thread has nothing to do with griefing... it's about guilds / individuals fighting over something important.... not just killing for the fun of it.

Did u know Sweden is a neutral country, but it sells ****loads of weapons lol

putterix wrote:Did u know Sweden is a neutral country, but it sells ****loads of weapons lol

Yes. Yes I did. Same as the Swiss.

sprite wrote:Yes. Yes I did. Same as the Swiss.

But do the Swede make watches as well?

Anyway, apart from the silly flaming here and there, this thread nicely show the various point-of-views possible in *any* conflict.

You see, in the end it is all about respect. I respect the way you play your game, please respect the way I play mine. With respect mixed in, almost anything is possible especially during war or some smaller conflicts.
The only thing that is completely disrespectfull is taunting someone you killed, calling them names.

So without calling me names, I agree with Fyrx. Feel free to kill me in a PvP zone, I know the risks. To add a comment from Blondy, be prepared for the consequences. As respectfull as they may be, you might not like them.

I think this community largely consists of adults, behave like adult. Kill each other i a respectfull way.

For illustration a small link, but I would like to warn for profanity. Dont go here if you might be offended by humor that knows little boundries. (at the time of writing, they seemed to have a server error, check again soon)

Sorry but i think Killing individual diggers to protect your interests in Sup nodes is a form of Greifing, its not a guild confrontation, its self serving self interest, to the detriment of others trying to play the game and you should be prepared to be criticised for this.
I am not against PvP but unprovoked killing of solo diggers is not gonna drive the game forward.

I think digging in a PvP zone for easy mats and expecting not to be killed is a form of exploiting

basicart wrote:I think digging in a PvP zone for easy mats and expecting not to be killed is a form of exploiting

I think you need to think harder...

well if anything, posts like this make reading the forums more fun while bored at work

I think protecting an area for sup mats is valid, until a bigger comes along and knocks them off, or of course you hire people to protect you while digging

Isnt that how outposts going to work? (in respect to forage) own one, and then you'll have areas to dig that are yours until someone bigger comes along and takes it off you?

d29565 wrote:When I first started this game, people weren't rude to one another as they are now, as most are being on this thread right now. I wonder what has taken place, what exactly set in motion this new phase of rudeness? Did you know that some people wont even let their kids play with them anymore because of how ignorant some people are in game now?
I know that there are people that I used to respect and even look up to when I was a newb, but now-they've all become jerks. I can understand the killing in PR, it is a pvp area. But, from experience, I have seen people from the guilds which do most of the pvping laugh people they have killed, and make fun of them. How immature. (Not real sure where this connects in this thread, I know it does somewhere though. Just thought I would add this little bit. Somehow, I predict negative posts from this..dont know why tho.)

PvP happened....

That and the fact that some people with a severe lack of imagination have hit the lvl cap in several (combat) skills for some reason leads to what could be considered grief killings.

In one of the other "PvP threads" someone said the being killed in SoR (or any other computer game..) doesn't hurt anyone but he was wrong...
When you play a game you usually have a goal so when PvP isn't your goal, or not what you're after at this moment getting killed will prevent you from reaching that goal. In other words: by killing people in PvP zones you have become an obstacle for those who are there for other reasons than PvP.

Now if everything was "fair" all of this wouldn't be much of a problem but things aren't fair now are they? The lvl difference will give certain players an advantage over others and PvP isn't fun when you are being nuked to death by a AoD while you're say... lvl 150. People tend to get upset when they feel they are treated unfairly (there's the "hurt") and they tend to get angry at the people who treated them thus. Now you could say that there's no difference between being killed by a Vorax and a player but there is a player chooses to kill, the vorax just follows it's program. PvP is personal even if the player doing the killing is following the same kind of narrow minded "programming" as the vorax (it's a PvP zone: accept the risks or stay away...)

The "hurt" of being killed in a PvP zone would be less if there was a good reason for it and if it was done with respect towards the "victim" but some people don't see the need for either. I think most (if not all) people would get angry if they were PK'ed for no good reason and then mocked by their killer...

In short: things get out of hand because of a few short sighted selfish people who care about nobody as long as they are having fun regardless of how their behavior effects others and ignorant of the possible long term effects of their behavior... (griefers can kill an MMO...)