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bgraz wrote: this time the KA cries foul with the "packer wall", nexus has huge support, but lost the slight tactical advantage because even with their huge numbers the KA can't stand to see someone outwit them. there is no real tactics in this game, someone found a decent one and the bullies cried about it...and won.

last i checked you cant directly attack packer even when they in pvp zone.

take it this way.... change packer wall with lagre group of neutral homins. they both give same result.
if any, which one you would classify as interfering to battle and would report to gm ? actually it does not matter... situation on battlefield would determine that.

bgraz wrote:OMG people come on, its a holiday..someone made attacks for early morning on dec.24th The KA has been bullies for over a year now and are whining that they being attacked on a holiday, I see people whining that BM is being attacked and are good people..I see BM at every OP fight against anyone not KA..how are they better???????? how is an attack early morning dec. 24th so terrible as to get whole server up in arms, how can this little thing be so uncivilized as to upset everyone to the point of saying theres no honor in it?? can anyone tell me that the KA actions have been all peachy and honorable???? I THINK NOT!!!!!! some people, like me are happy to see this. the guild Nexus who have been attacking regularly for the last week should be happy someone is keeping up with their efforts..a lil history mabey about honor...nexus was attacked, they had huge support and used a sweet tactic of a "packer wall" to provide a safER haven for the guards...they succesfully defended. a ouple weeks later, they are atacked again, this time the KA cries foul with the "packer wall", nexus has huge support, but lost the slight tactical advantage because even with their huge numbers the KA can't stand to see someone outwit them. there is no real tactics in this game, someone found a decent one and the bullies cried about it...and won.

I'm ranting here, but the way I see it, what the hell is the point in only making attacks and playing by a set of rules that only allows for the largest group to win?????? at this point mabey the Kami/non KA karas should just lay down, grovel and be complacent enough and hope the KA doesn't take all remaining OPs, because obviously noone but the KA has the balls to be aggresive for what they want here

Kami side starting to make me sick

You seem to be lacking support from all but a few, you really should just give the argument up, this isn't a thread to debate the fairness of who Owns OP's.

It seems a common theme that most all people agree that the holiday time especially this holiday season is a time for nonagression. This time of year people are supposed to be happy, and spend time with loved ones, if you can't let go of your anger and/or frustration about all of this perhaps you should stop playing for awhile and let your mind calm down about the situation. If you wish to continue attacking Kara and Kami alike feel free, you'll make no friends here that way.

As for Op participation Just because someone participates, doesn't mean they harbor ill will for the people they are fighting, nor does it make them bad people. I personally participate in OP battles just because I enjoy the large amounts of people fighting there. I am karavan but I'm not there to end the Kami, Nor do I think Kara's should hold all OP's. I'm there to have fun as many Karas are. I have many Kami friends as well, really are Op's that big of a deal anyway? we all end up grinding together, and having alot of fun hunting together. We even share our Mats and Cats with our friends no matter what alignment. Shouldn't let these battles tear us apart ...

Happy Holidays Everyone
~Vallian~

nazak07 wrote:You seem to be lacking support from all but a few, you really should just give the argument up, this isn't a thread to debate the fairness of who Owns OP's.

It seems a common theme that most all people agree that the holiday time especially this holiday season is a time for nonagression. This time of year people are supposed to be happy, and spend time with loved ones, if you can't let go of your anger and/or frustration about all of this perhaps you should stop playing for awhile and let your mind calm down about the situation. If you wish to continue attacking Kara and Kami alike feel free, you'll make no friends here that way.

As for Op participation Just because someone participates, doesn't mean they harbor ill will for the people they are fighting, nor does it make them bad people. I personally participate in OP battles just because I enjoy the large amounts of people fighting there. I am karavan but I'm not there to end the Kami, Nor do I think Kara's should hold all OP's. I'm there to have fun as many Karas are. I have many Kami friends as well, really are Op's that big of a deal anyway? we all end up grinding together, and having alot of fun hunting together. We even share our Mats and Cats with our friends no matter what alignment. Shouldn't let these battles tear us apart ...

Happy Holidays Everyone
~Vallian~

Vallian I don't know you IG so i cannot judge your personal character, but It's so easy for you to come here and say OPs don't matter, and you don't want to see an end to Kamis. when has your OP ever been taken by the force of an alliance that seems to have 0 regard for its opponent. how many times has your guild participated in attacks on OPs outside your homeland for the sake of your alliance holding more resources? If you are indeed freinds of everyone then why not take a neutral stance and drop the KA? or are you afraid of the fate that was given to nexus and evolution guilds? they are karavan, but not KA and both had their OPs taken from them by the KA.

sorry to keep ranting but would you KA people quit coming out saying that you care about everyone and that OPs are not a big deal...mabey they are to those who cannot for the life of them or for any amount of effort, get one.

If you are really in the holiday spirit why not let some less fortunate guilds not in your alliance enjoy owning an OP for a little while..or are you all too greedy for that?

gendriks wrote:No, its because people should not be forced to choose between OPs and their families and/or religion(s).

It is no decision. If you have to think about which is more important, then you need to step back.

This is a game. Simple as that, even more so it is a real time game that does not bide by real life time. As I've said somewhere else, homins do not celebrate Christmas, Yule, Hannakuh (sp), whatever. Homins worship the candy cane (little joke for you).

As a real time, MMORPG without a relation to holidays, attacks on whatever day are still an attack. These things happen. Ryzom will not stop (unless there is a crash) for Christmas, Easter, my bloody birthday. Get over it guys (not directed to person i quoted).

d29565 wrote:It is no decision.

As a real time, MMORPG without a relation to holidays, attacks on whatever day are still an attack. These things happen. Ryzom will not stop (unless there is a crash) for Christmas, Easter, my bloody birthday. Get over it guys (not directed to person i quoted).

Ryzom shouldn't need to stop. The players should stop for the holidays.

bgraz wrote:or are you afraid of the fate that was given to nexus and evolution guilds? they are karavan, but not KA and both had their OPs taken from them by the KA.

evo lost their op ? when did that happen ? damn, gotta stop digging and visit civilization more often.

blaah wrote:evo lost their op ? when did that happen ? damn, gotta stop digging and visit civilization more often.

About a week ago. As we are a really small guild at the moment, I asked the kami not to defend, it wasnt worth the hassle with the matis guild that attacked...

I am not speaking for KA or for Bm in my previous post, I am speaking for me, and only me.

There is quite a problem with generalizing in this game recently. I don't really understand it. Kami's are mad at all Karas for the actions of a fraction of them. And it is the same for the Karas inversely.

As for loseing our OP, well I went half my game career in a guild with no OP at all. It didn't bother me at all.And really even when I was in Thorns of Atys, it was quite simple to get the cats or supplies I needed just through people I knew. A guild doesn't and shouldn't require and OP to function.

I think Nillian said it well, if you don't have the supplies you need do something to gain them. Buy, sell, trade.. I don't have constant access nor do most Karas to 250Q cats and OP Mats. We must do personal trades, guild to guild trades for them or hope for the occasional free ones. They may be a little easier to get for us, but it's not like we're all rolling in them. And I know we are kind an generous to people in need, It's always been the BM way .

I do agree that it would be in good spirits for Kara's and Kamis to donate some Mats and Cats to the less fortunate guilds lacking OPs. I also know many do. even if it's not publicized. Friends give gifts to there friends all the time.

I don't really see the KA as some uber alliance, bent on world domination. Nor the Karas, that's why you see such comments as OP's don't matter. Minus the occasional few bad apples, Most Karas like and respect most Kamis.

Also Most really don't know all the reasons behind attacking the Op's. Nor do they really care. Most people there are there to support there friends. That is my purpose. Personally I did not participate in the attack on Evo, I like the guild, and I wouldn't attack them. I also didn't atttack the Sanctuary b/c I have alot of respect for Harv who is a friend of one of my friends and though he doesn't know it has made me quite a few amps . I will never attack the riders also, they are my friends, it's just something I wont do. I don't attack really good friends of mine. I know this isn't the same with everyone, but I know there are many many others who will not particiapte in OP's because they know the people whom might lose it. Better to never join then to alienate friends on either side.

The Karas aren't realy out there to dominate the world. Really it just seems like retaliation for actions in the past against them, right or wrong thats the way of the world. I know a majority of the Karas don't harbor hard feelings nor do they wish to see people angry and upset.

Though many whom are without OP's are angry about recent events, you must learn you can't always have everything you desire. It will take some time to build up and regain what certain guilds have lost. By pushing so much and useing questionable practices, will you truley be happy, if you get everything you want, but you alienate so many possible friends?

I also know the Karas are not perfect. We have our goods and bads, but the same holds true for everyone.. Just asking when you think of how bad the KA are to remember we're human not all we do is perfect.

On the other hand, there is nothing that makes the less fortunate guilds deserve the OP's more. There is no standard to who deserves what, other then who can fight and keep/capture the OPs. There is no right or wrong when it comes to who owns the OPs.

There will always be battles, and mats, and cats will go from hand to hand, as long as ryzom exists. Just don't let it make you hate everyone involved or you will lead yourself into alot of anger, which no one really wants.

Holiday Cheer to All
~Vallian~

bgraz wrote:nexus was attacked, they had huge support and used a sweet tactic of a "packer wall" to providre atacked again, this time the KA cries foul with the "packer wall", nexus has huge support, but lost the slight tactical advantage because even with their huge numbers the KA can't stand to see someone outwit them. there is no real tactics in this game, someone found a decent one and the bullies cried about it...and won.

Sorry, I know I shouldn't be posting but I HAD to say something about this quote. Are you trying to tell me the reason nexus lost because they could not use the packer wall? I honestly think you people should have seen this coming. Does it really even HELP that much? If you were ready for the battle, not being able to use one tactic (Not a very useful one I might add) should not have been that big of a deal. I believe that mabye if you had been a bit more organized, and mabye not so cocky, then you would have had a good chance of winning that battle. However, if you must blame your loss on a bunch of packers, then by all means do it. I just find this very amusing. Thanks for the laugh!

nazak07 wrote:I am not speaking for KA or for Bm in my previous post, I am speaking for me, and only me.

~Vallian~

You cannot speak for anyone but yourself... Surely you do not speak for me and/or anyone in the Karavan alliance.

The alliance does not choose thier enemies so much as the enemy choose themselves. When your goals are to serve the goddess, there is no middle ground. You either support the cause or you do not, personal politic's are meaningless.