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Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:57 pm
by kostika
acridiel wrote:
As said in an earlier post, me and some friends have been discussing a simmilar attempt at letting Ryzom stay up, and we certainly had no scamming in mind. So why not give these guys the benefit of doubt?
I must say I find the blattand attempts at denouncement here rather disturbing.
What if they are for real? Even IF there were technical and finacial problems, it would be a great idea IMHO.
There are enough legal and illegal free-shards of other games out there that run rather smoothely, so why couldn´t this one?
I've never meant to make it sounds as if I was accusing him of being a scammer, I wasn't. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
My point is that what is being proposed isn't viable. The site mentions hiring developers. That means the game would continue to develope. Who makes the decisions on this? It sure as heck can't be the community. Nothing would get done. And if somerhing did get done then it'd only be by those who have the time to burn.
And if the email addresses were gotten off this forum, why wasn't everyone emailed? I know that the US at least has laws against unsolicited emails. (I don't know EU or UK law on this)
I love this game and this community, but think about this from a realistic viewpoint. Basing this on Creative Commons and Debian Project ideals isn't going to work. Ryzom needs a real company behind it to make it work.
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:58 pm
by kirzen
acridiel wrote:Uhm, no.
We were sent a Username and a PW.
Acridiel
*Realized that about 8 seconds after posting that LOL... damn Ryzom, making me stay up all night grinding...*
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:00 pm
by olepi
If 10,000 people each sent $100, that is still just $1 million; my bet is that sum is way too small. My un-informed guess is that someone would need on the order of $20-100 million.
Olepi
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:02 pm
by kirzen
acridiel wrote:
As said in an earlier post, me and some friends have been discussing a simmilar attempt at letting Ryzom stay up, and we certainly had no scamming in mind. So why not give these guys the benefit of doubt?
I must say I find the blattand attempts at denouncement here rather disturbing.
What if they are for real? Even IF there were technical and finacial problems, it would be a great idea IMHO.
There are enough legal and illegal free-shards of other games out there that run rather smoothely, so why couldn´t this one?
I´ll for my self wait and see.
Nobody could force me to give money based on that Mail and site.
Acridiel
Simple.
Because any thought about a 'bunch of friends getting together' and 'buying the rights to Ryzom' is a rediculous pipe dream inspired by a great love of the game, unless you and your friends all happen to have million dollar lines of credit at the bank and a few servers laying around.
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:19 pm
by soulsnatcher
Re: The numerous posts about credit card details. It is physically impossible for ANYONE to get hold of your credit card details from any Nevrax database. The reason is a simple one. We don't have access of them. By "we" I mean the dev team, CS team and billing guys. Why? Because credit card details are held by the authorised credit card company, in this case Bibit. There is no way current staff or ex staff can access this information.
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:20 pm
by soulsnatcher
iphdrunk wrote:With all due respect Souls,
* Is this "ex-employee" Xavier Antoviaque? could you confirm this? -- it strikes me to learn that he was fired months ago --
* what are the "wrong facts"? I guess you are not free to elaborate, but more insight?
* What is Jolt official position on this? as a company running and operating the Ryzom service, one could guess that in all these negotiations Jolt has something to say. I fail to see if your post refelcts your personal opinion (which you are of course, perfectly entitled to) or as head of support of a commercial company. Would it be factually wrong to assume that it is in Jolt's best interest to give no credibility to this announcement in order to keep the support contract with the possible buyer? (I am not againt that, btw), just looking at this from a high perspective. While I share most of your concerns, and I honestly think that your post seems to reflect that you care for us and you try to make sure that our money does not go into some sort of "scam", I can't but also consider your opinion coming from the head of support from Jolt and, dare I also say a bit biased?
* could you elaborate more on the "ongoing and looking positive"?
It is hard to see the clear picture without all the details (what's the chances of success, what do you mean by positive, who are the possible buyers, etc.) but one thing it was not highlighted enough... if (big if) the idea goes on, this seems to imply that the code (not only NeL) but the client /server, artworks, etc. will go open source. That's a big PLUS -- assuming the game stops as a service.
Nevertheless, I agree that I would consider this as "a last resort" just if the game was really going into oblivion, and I see a lot of pitfalls with the approach (5000 players? on a shard? without proper testing? how many months in a stalled state, waiting for the corresponding spring clean and no promises?)
The only nice point I see in this approach is that it is an opportunity to open the source and artworks for a significant less amount that its value, but only if there are no viable plans for continuity, but, it is also important to note, that ex-Nevrax employees will be using player raised money to buy Intellectula Property in order to supposedly put the code in a Free Sotware licence, but they did not state that they will not keep the copyright, etc. and ownership. In other words, players will not be co-owners of the code, neither it will be put in the public domain
I cannot confirm or deny anyone's identity. As for the facts, his idea of player numbers for one, and exactly what is needed to run this is a long way off the actual situation. But unfortunately I can't go into details as this is all tied up with the administration process which has to see its course before this kind of stuff will be talked about publicly (anyone who jumps the gun like this site is merely not adhering to the right process, which again shows the levels we are talking about here).
As for Jolt's position, we are continuing to support in anyway we can a long standing and valued partner. The Jolt staff and Nevrax staff have become very close over the years, forming a relationship that has been, and will continue to be beneficial to players as well as ourselves. As for your statement about it being to our benefits to give no credibility? If I was being nasty and vindictive then you could say that. However, as lame as it sounds, I'm more interested in protecting players from anything that may not be in their best interests and keeping them in the loop as much as legally possible with what is going on. Am I biased? I want Ryzom to survive, as we all do, I also have ideas on what will work best and not work best for the future of the game based on what I know.
"* could you elaborate more on the "ongoing and looking positive"? " You have no idea how much I wish we could elaborate for you. Ongoing and positive pretty much sums it up without the detail that would get me thrown in the Bastille on a diet of that horrible smelly French cheese and cheap wine. Although now I think of it, that's not so bad. It's hard to address all your points with the level of detail that's permitted right now but positive is a word that sums up the general feeling and situation.
Souls
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:36 pm
by gretchen
I'm certainly willing to take some hope from the use of the word "positive."
If things were looking dismal or terrible or terminal, the word would simply not be mentioned.
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:39 pm
by rushin
grimjim wrote:That said, I don't think this is the best, or a particularly viable option.
indeed, and as Kostika has said its a far from simple thing to try and do on many levels. That doesnt mean it isnt possible. It would imo be best if a large established company came along and secured our little world, but what if that doesnt happen?
support for a group of people who know a lot about the game, have in part developed and run it doesnt deserve posts about theft and so on, regardless of how naive it might seem.
Disappointing, especially from this community.
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:39 pm
by soulsnatcher
gretchen wrote:If things were looking dismal or terrible or terminal, the word would simply not be mentioned.
None of those words are anywhere near the ongoing situation. "Positive", "Bright Future", "Just Waiting out the Administrative Process time" - all seem to be more appropriate.
Re: Check your inboxes people.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:41 pm
by borg9
soulsnatcher wrote:Re: The numerous posts about credit card details. It is physically impossible for ANYONE to get hold of your credit card details from any Nevrax database. The reason is a simple one. We don't have access of them. By "we" I mean the dev team, CS team and billing guys. Why? Because credit card details are held by the authorised credit card company, in this case Bibit. There is no way current staff or ex staff can access this information.
Good to know, thanks Soul.