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xenofur wrote:bomb heal healing enemies.

And this was fixed before it got to the live server? Ah well THAT makes the ATS worthwhile then doesn't it?

philu wrote:Yes and YOU said (and I quote):



"working on" = developing. Not releasing. I was talking about release, you were talking about development.

hmm hmm yes it can, but.. no, no I wasn't.
I dunno if you've noticed with this game or not.. but they often add things in which don't work right away.. this is just how it goes.
The release notes include notes on almost everything they've included whether it's working or not. AKA being WORKED ON!

If you'd prefer to never patch until it's totaly clear of even the most small and unimportant bugs ever then I pity you too!

How many people do you think we'd have around now if progress got any slower.. lol
Some of us are just holding on, surviving from patch to patch..
If you find these stupidly little things that bad, how on earth have you survived in this game so long.

haha

ajsuk wrote:The release notes include notes on almost everything they've included whether it's working or not. AKA being WORKED ON!

Nope wrong there I'm afraid. In Development is the stuff being worked on. Final Patch Notes details the changes that have been made. This is the stuff that has been "tested" and is now ready for inclusion in the game. It also includes bug fixes and changes to existing functionality. It shouldn't include things they KNOW don't work.

ajsuk wrote:Some of us are just holding on, surviving from patch to patch..
If you find these stupidly little things that bad, how on earth have you survived in this game so long

I still don't think you actually take the time to understand what people are saying in their posts. Have I said this? Have I said that small bugs will ruin my world? No.

Have I said including a KNOWN BUG in the patch notes as working functionality is an indication of a poor test procedure? YES.

Have I said I think that Nevrax put too much emphasis on use of the ATS but don't take sufficient notice of the feedback from it, making it pointless? YES.

Have I used the logon screen bug as an example of this? YES.

philu wrote:And this was fixed before it got to the live server? Ah well THAT makes the ATS worthwhile then doesn't it?

did i say that? no.
don't put words in my mouth.
all i did was answer your question.

btw, do you know what your constant attacks on this little inconsequential error will result in? less information out of fear of having another player or even you going on a holy crusade. bravo!

xenofur wrote:did i say that? no.

So what are you saying? Did the bug make it to the live server or not?

xenofur wrote:btw, do you know what your constant attacks on this little inconsequential error will result in? less information out of fear of having another player or even you going on a holy crusade. bravo!

a) I am entitled to my opinion, as are you. FORUM.

b) Read my words - I am not complaining about the bug I am complaining ABOUT THEIR TEST PROCEDURE.

philu wrote:Have I used the logon screen bug as an example of this? YES.

Operative word = example.

c) If Nevrax can't take criticism, they shouldn't be in business.

philu wrote:So what are you saying? Did the bug make it to the live server or not?

exactly why do you ask this now? you asked a question and i gave you an answer. i even affirmed later on that my answer was directly to your question. i see no reason to repeat myself

philu wrote:a) I am entitled to my opinion, as are you. FORUM.

b) Read my words - I am not complaining about the bug I am complaining ABOUT THEIR TEST PROCEDURE.

Operative word = example.

c) If Nevrax can't take criticism, they shouldn't be in business.

speaking of repeating, please do yourself the favor and count how often you have stated up until now that the test procedure is inadequate.

xenofur wrote:exactly why do you ask this now? you asked a question and i gave you an answer. i even affirmed later on that my answer was directly to your question. i see no reason to repeat myself

Because if it DID make it to the server then it proves my point. If not then you HAVE answered my question. For which I thank you.

xenofur wrote:speaking of repeating, please do yourself the favor and count how often you have stated up until now that the test procedure is inadequate.

Well if you people actually read what others were saying, I wouldn't have to keep repeating my point until you understood it, would I?

*grabs some popcorn*
Ehhehehehe... Xeno, you´re doing IT! *eG*
*watching in rapt fasination*

ah, now i see what you mean, sorry, my fault. this: "did i say that? no." was only aimed at the second sentence i quoted, which seemed to be pure irony to me. anyways: this was a bug that was discovered back in november during initial GvG tests and did not go live to my knowledge.
something i just discovered as well is that this bug: "targeted homins should not become untargeted when they die or are ressurrected" was also fixed due to feedback from the ats.
there also was a quite harsh database bug which was reported on the ats and which was at least partly fixed before the patch went live. (that one that caused all the names to go whack)

about your point: i completely understand what you are trying to say, i simply cannot agree with the degree you attach to it and with the way you say it.

xenofur wrote:ah, now i see what you mean, sorry, my fault. this: "did i say that? no." was only aimed at the second sentence i quoted, which seemed to be pure irony to me.

Not entirely your fault. My post obviously wasn't clear and (if I'm honest) the second part did tend toward irony.

xenofur wrote:anyways: this was a bug that was discovered back in november during initial GvG tests and did not go live to my knowledge.
something i just discovered as well is that this bug: "targeted homins should not become untargeted when they die or are ressurrected" was also fixed due to feedback from the ats.
there also was a quite harsh database bug which was reported on the ats and which was at least partly fixed before the patch went live. (that one that caused all the names to go whack)

Thank you. That's what I asked for. Very good examples. Based on these (and because I DO listen to other peoples arguments and opinions ), I retract my statement about the ATS being pointless. Yay ATS!

xenofur wrote:about your point: i completely understand what you are trying to say, i simply cannot agree with the degree you attach to it and with the way you say it.

Well that's your opinion, just as I have mine (which I'm not going to repeat!).