asaseth wrote:Grim, I atleast, understand why and how what's going on is bad and detrimental, but you seem, at least to me, to persist in thinking that this PvP is a gank fest.
I've heard a lot of talk here about how it isn't just a gankfest, but nothing in game or reported from in game to support that contention.
It IS entirely possible that the massively negative image of the pro-PvP guilds is down to a few problem children acting without the knowledge of the others in their guild but it stretches credibility to believe that this is the case in the face of so much upset, annoyance and out of hand killing going on.
I am not entirely against PvP but I want it to be supported by the lore or by the roleplay. I want it to make sense within the context of the game and our experience of it. Seemingly random attacks on foragers or others, relatively defenseless while digging, regardless of faction, race or alliance do not meet that very basic request.
It seems that the majority of PvPers are not doing it in any sort of context but just for the 'challenge' of wiping out an unprepared person trying to scrounge up a few materials. I don't see the reward in killfests of outmatched and unprepared people, but that's just me.
The other majorly negative parts are the crowing and smack-talking and the constant spamming with duel requests that goes on sometimes and there seems to be a total lack of acceptance that other people don't necessarily want to play that way and get nothing from it.
I/We can respect your wish to engage in player on player combat. Bully for you. Just don't bring it here outside of events and lore content, thanks very much.
asaseth wrote:That is not true. Non-RPers can also force their playstyle, or rather, deny others the playstyle that they want. Only, instead of magicaly or physicaly ganking, they verbaly gank, by purposly going into a piece of RP, and talking incessantly OOC, and not in region, where you can ignore it, but in around, or shouting, where you can't ignore it. Just look at any of the 'kittin morssel' events, and you will find them in abundance.
If someone is being verbally problematic during an event there is always the capacity to ignore them, either with a command or by simply ignoring them. You can't so easily ignore being blasted or attacked. It is possible to ignore comments, not being attacked.
asaseth wrote:You have had you acknowledgements in spades, in this topic and others. As far as a compermise, what do you propose? Other than 'don't' I haven't seen much of anything in that direction from non-PvPers.
No, there haven't been any acknowledgements that its a problem or any understanding how there can be objection even within an ostensibly 'open' PvP zone.
My ideal would be no PvP at all (outside of duels and designated arenas). PvP would only occur for set goals that promoted the story or in contested ground between factions, with, perhaps, an option for a neutral (completely non participatory in faction conflict) or bandit (outside of faction, attackable by anyone) options.
As things stand, until we get some sort of PvP flag I would _request_ the following from the pro PvP people.
1 - Only PvP with other people who enjoy PvP if you can at ALL help it.
2 - Otherwise please try to fit your actions within the RP and lore of the game. Attack people only from the opposing faction to yourself OR declare yourself bandits, make sure everyone knows it, acknowledge it, attack anyone and everyone and accept some IC censure.
I find PvP to be a completely pointless waste of time and the least engaging, involving or exciting part of the game at present. You can tell almost immediately how a fight is going to turn out and, as a melee expert (200+) my role is limited and underpowered, not even seeming able to disrupt castings by magi arond the same level as me. Team fights basically last until a healer presses the wrong button or one side gets bored or loses focus. Very little tactics, very little interest. Well done, you levelled more than me and in elemental, wheeeeeee.
If its fun for you, cool, it isn't for me. I keep trying, trying to get where the fun of it is and without a lot of dressing up and context it just seems like a pointless excercise to me. Give me a proper goal, fit it into the gameworld and it comes alive. Otherwise, its like Top Trumps, with levels.