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Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:16 pm
by zzeii
No game will ever have all of its content automatically open to every player in the game. You have to work for it. If you had RL commitments for when the players made trip, that is on you. Not on nevrax, not on the other players.

That would be akin to asking the GM's to port you to PoTime in EQ at lvl 1. Just because it is there, doesn't mean you can just get there at the drop of the hat. Having spent 14+ hours getting everyone possible who was there for the trip, you expect them to just port people there? A Journey isn't only about it's destination, it is about what happens between the start and end as well.

What's next? Asking for lvl 250 because the levels are there, so you should have them? Stop throwing a fit because you couldn't make it. You get what you put into it. Stop thinking this is EQ where you can mooch your way through every god #$%@ encounter without any effort on your part.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:20 pm
by mikwana
Thank you Zzei for organizing this. If the sickness hadn't taken me in Yrkanis (50K ping!), I'd have very much like to see the desert, but I am glad to hear the the majority did make it through.

Unfortunately, I missed this last meeting, but hopefully, I'll be able to press through before the next. If you need anything, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

Rhedyn

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:30 pm
by zumwalt
Congradultations ZZ for doing a wonderful job, I am sorry I was unable to assist do to RL circumstances, but I commend you on a job well done.

As for the question as to pickup those left behind, if ZZ spent all his time trying to backtrack, the trip probably would have failed.

Once in motion, you go with the flow and keep up, if something, anything happens to cause you to respawn or delay, that is on your head, not the caravan leaders head.

Its a harsh reality, but its one you must learn fast in this game.

Going back for 1 person can kill 50.

There are points of no return, and you have to just chuck up the fact that once the caravan is past those points of no return, thats that.

There will be more trips in the future I am sure, so just be ready for those.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:37 pm
by zzeii
Every deligate who could remain on without severe stability issues had finished the trip. Much to the commendation of all the guilds who came to help; CP, Melinoe, OOC, Desert Templar, Pegasus Foundation, and many others. Rhedyn, I am sorry that your connection prevented you from finishing the last leg of the trip.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:40 pm
by raynes
zzeii wrote:No game will ever have all of its content automatically open to every player in the game. You have to work for it. If you had RL commitments for when the players made trip, that is on you. Not on nevrax, not on the other players.

That would be akin to asking the GM's to port you to PoTime in EQ at lvl 1. Just because it is there, doesn't mean you can just get there at the drop of the hat. Having spent 14+ hours getting everyone possible who was there for the trip, you expect them to just port people there? A Journey isn't only about it's destination, it is about what happens between the start and end as well.

What's next? Asking for lvl 250 because the levels are there, so you should have them? Stop throwing a fit because you couldn't make it. You get what you put into it. Stop thinking this is EQ where you can mooch your way through every god #$%@ encounter without any effort on your part.


There is a difference between having content handed to me and rquireing 14 hours to complete something. Not just 14 hours, 14 consequtive hours. That is complete unreasonable for many many players. And an event like this were it's a call to all guild leaders or a representive from each, its very unreasonable. If it were something that can be done in 4, heck even 6 hours that is something totally different.

It's very simple. Nevrax had an event. They could of VERY easily changed the mobs spawns in the roots enough so that the trip could of been made in 4-6 hours instead of 14. It certainly woulnd't of been easy, but within the realm of possibility. They didn't do that. Instead they had a COMPLETE lack of planning. A COMPLETE lack of knowledge of what is required to get through the roots. And what I fear is going to be a regular thing with their events, A COMPLETE disreguard for anyone who either isn't part of a large guild or has an entire day to spend doing something.

It's fine that you don't agree with me. But don't you dare tell me that I don't want to put any effort forward. Just because I can't spend an entire day trying something does not mean I don't want to put any effort forward.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:52 pm
by zzeii
Raynes...

I apologize for going off like that...

This thread was designed to plan the trip, and people have been giving their thanks to all who helped.

So why are you posting things off topic? Is it constructive? Is it serving a purpose in the scope of the trip?

If you have a topic you want addressed, please take it to the appropriate thread or start your own. Please.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:32 pm
by zzeii
raynes wrote:There is a difference between having content handed to me and rquireing 14 hours to complete something. Not just 14 hours, 14 consequtive hours. That is complete unreasonable for many many players. And an event like this were it's a call to all guild leaders or a representive from each, its very unreasonable. If it were something that can be done in 4, heck even 6 hours that is something totally different.
Timeline:

Gathering in Min-cho: 12pm-1pm 1 hour

Min-Cho to Fairhaven: 1pm-4pm - 3 hours (mostly spent in ToT avoiding/greeting patrols)

Re-organizing forces in Fairhaven/Avendale: 4pm-5pm: 1 hour

Fairhaven to Yrkanis: 5pm-8pm - 3 hours (this included a deligate getting seperated(wandered?) and killed, and respawning in fairhaven, and

Re-organizing forces in yrkanis: 8pm-9pm: 1 hour

Yrkanis to Pyr: 9pm-2pm(when the final deligates made it): 5 hours (this included 3 wipes due to mis/over aggro, having to go back and get some people who were unable to be healed in time due to the quantity of aggressive mobs being dealt with).

During this, there were disconnects/crashes from people in the raid. Broken down, each section would only take 4 hours on average. So if the trips are broken down into smaller jumps, it's not 14 consecutive hours. We had breaks at each town. And made sure to accomadate everyone who came along as best as we were able.

Compare this to the time required to get an 'epic' in EQ, or a set of AR in FFXI. This is a short period of time in comparison. Just because it was done all at once here, does not mean that it is the only way to do it.

And I heard nothing from you about coming or abstaining from this trip on this thread or in game. No requests for escort, no attempts to lead shorter jumps to make your way there. You did nothing except post your discontent.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:37 pm
by jdiegel
zzeii wrote: And I heard nothing from you about coming or abstaining from this trip on this thread or in game. No requests for escort, no attempts to lead shorter jumps to make your way there. You did nothing except post your discontent.
Well, on that point, one delegate per guild, and we sent our ambassador. As I said before, thanks. That ambassador is now much more capable of attending future events of this nature.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:40 pm
by aelvana
Raynes, after all this, please just keep it to GM chats/tickets. No other player is really going to be able to tell you any more. These trips will be an order of magnitude easier as the server as a whole approaches max level. Of course experienced raiders are going to be able to do it sooner. That's a human factor that no one can do anything about. Fighters will be soloing the runs NP at all once they get 50% more levels than they have already. Small groups of 250s will be able to fly through them. This will be soon. The fact that there is a period of time when the more hardcore players will be doing them isn't something anyone can fix or change.

As far as events being in one land only, ticketing / klient are the only things that are going to get you any more. They may not change it, as there are many other players here, as well as Nevrox's planning etc, but that's the way to do it. If you seriously want to get in on a trip while the going is still difficult and experienced raiders are still needed, keep a very active eye open and talk to people in tells that do the runs.

Re: A humble request, and a world spanning pilgrimage.

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:39 pm
by phalanxe
Heard it went well, guys! Glad to see that most everyone made it in one piece! I was so jealous I didn't get to go (but not so much that I gave up my RL stuff), but it makes me want to practice and level up even more, so that the next time something like this happens I'll be able to participate. Sounds like a fun adventure! I'll be sure to keep my eyes open for another event of this kind.

And I'd like to say thanks for excorting Melodie, 'cause she represented our guild. It's much appriciated. Go Brawlers!

~Alpinia