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radio-lala on the forums!!!! \o/
btw i am with sherk on this one where is the next event?!?!?!?!?!

jwenting wrote: The day what you claim to want happens is going to be the day there's vicious and constant ganking by some (a small group at first, but growing) until such a time that everyone who's not a fanatical pvp player has left, one side controls everything so the other can't go anywhere at all and leaves because there's nothing to do, or a combination of the two, leading inevitably to the community falling below a viable treshold and the owners shutting things down.
The current unbalance in op wars is already starting to lead to people leaving and polarising the community enough that those not interested in pvp are being shunned and ridiculed into closing their accounts.
Your plans will only make that worse, far worse.

1. Hi, how are you today? *hug*

2. You'd think that might be the case, and I know you've seen that sort of thing in other games. But Arispotle OP fighting (and in-fighting) has gone through several pendulum swings over the years, so I don't think things are as you fear. The current dominating group was once more or less part of the oppressed underdog, and rose up in opposition and overthrew the previous regime. ( Ahhh, the glory days of the Karavan Alliance... *sigh* ) The hand of time brings all tyrants low. Ask Ozymandius.

3. Historically, gankers have been ridiculed and shunned by this community. There have been a few proponents of it who engaged in admittedly annoying solo ganking campaigns, but it seems not to become a common tactic, in most cases. Because there are only a handful of places where it's even an option (other than opt-in tagged FvF) it really hasn't been much of an issue most of the time. I don't think adding a few more places where it would be possible would be so dire. I can't imagine "gate-camping" in Ryzom - how unutterably dull would that be? And anyway, if it's in keeping with the lore, I'm not opposed to more PvP options. (Provided it remains optional. Including avoiding dangerous places, just like I avoid dangerous neighborhoods in big cities.)

4. There are lots and lots of folks (including me) who participate little or none in PvP, and while there might be a handful who denigrate us for it, by far the majority respect our choice and leave us alone. There are also a very small handful who publicly disrespect the PvPers. Personally, I prefer to let people play as they wish, and try to make friends rather than enemies.

5. More *hugs*

6. Don't forget that we're discussing speculations and player brainstorming here, not acts of Parliament or even project plans.

Have a nice day

hemera wrote: btw i am with sherk on this one where is the next event?!?!?!?!?!

The event team is short of staff and needs volunteers to help.

gcaldani wrote: is it really so necessary to prevent people in a different aligned guild to gain the citizenship with their own race?
I am a tryker part of a matis guild, almost since january 2005, when fame didn't really ment anything. My guild has matis allegiance and so i am unable to get, as a single homin, tryker allegiance. I can only be stateless or get a matis allegiance, even being a tryker.

Pretty simple.
Just look at RLs international relations.
If you´re a member of say The French Foreign Legion, you may be a German, or even an Afgani, but you will be fighting for France. If ever you desert and fight for any other army, your old comrades will be pretty angry with you.
Or,as far as I know, you´re Italian, if you want to work in the U.S. you´ll need either a greencard, or citizenship of the U.S.A.
Same goes for Germany, you´ll need either citzyzenship or a work-permit to earn any legal income here. Everything else is illegal.
Even if you´re a member of some foreign Company or Organization.

So, bureaucracy exists even on Atys

CU
Acridiel

jwenting wrote:So, now you want to FORCE people to pvp in order to enter regions, yet you don't think you're preventing people from entering regions?
I'll tell you what'll happen: A number of multiple masters, bored with grinding, are going to camp the entrances to those regions and gank anyone who enters while they're spawning and cannot react.

Even if not, your idea would (if closing entire regions based on whatever to someone else as you seem to suggest, no matter the reason why) prevent people from visiting one place or another because they're of the wrong race or faction.

You contradict yourself if you say that you don't want any restrictions but do want restrictions based on whatever.

The day what you claim to want happens is going to be the day there's vicious and constant ganking by some (a small group at first, but growing) until such a time that everyone who's not a fanatical pvp player has left, one side controls everything so the other can't go anywhere at all and leaves because there's nothing to do, or a combination of the two, leading inevitably to the community falling below a viable treshold and the owners shutting things down.
The current unbalance in op wars is already starting to lead to people leaving and polarising the community enough that those not interested in pvp are being shunned and ridiculed into closing their accounts.
Your plans will only make that worse, far worse.

LOL, lala, why you misunderstand every time what i write? Where i have spoke about PvP?

Stop having PvP all the time in your mind. All the people that know me also knopw that i love Pve and consider PvP just one part of a game and not all the game.

I never NEVER said that players have to fight *IN PVP*. Never.

I am not obseesed by pvp and never was an hardcore pvper. I like a game for it's content, not for the pvp, otherwise i would be in another MMO now, and not a true lover of Ryzom.

Please, if you are obsessed by pvp it your problem, not mine.

PS: have u read my answer to your post where you quoted, and misunderstood, a sentence of mine? I think no, seems you don't read the whole posts here.

acridiel wrote:Pretty simple.
Just look at RLs international relations.
If you´re a member of say The French Foreign Legion, you may be a German, or even an Afgani, but you will be fighting for France. If ever you desert and fight for any other army, your old comrades will be pretty angry with you.
Or,as far as I know, you´re Italian, if you want to work in the U.S. you´ll need either a greencard, or citizenship of the U.S.A.
Same goes for Germany, you´ll need either citzyzenship or a work-permit to earn any legal income here. Everything else is illegal.
Even if you´re a member of some foreign Company or Organization.

So, bureaucracy exists even on Atys

CU
Acridiel

I understand what you say, but well, if i start working in USA, after some year i can get a citizenship.

The point i was asking is: why being a tryker, born in Fairhaven, i cannot gain in any way my citizenship with my race because i am a memebr of a matis guild?

Or, in other words, why a guild have a citizenship allegiance, that is something related to an individual? Maybe i misunderstand the meaning of the citizenship in this context.

It's not that i disagree (despite i would like to be a tryker citizen) but i wish an explanation, in terms of game lore or game mechanic.

sidusar wrote:Indeed, Tryton has been very often equalled to being both "the third faction" and "the neutral faction".

If "Trytonist" were to really become a third faction ingame though, I give it about 3 months before it's no longer equalled with "neutral".

Because then "neutral" would mean not being part of any of the three factions.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't still love to see it though.

As long as it's properly and slowly implemented into the gameworld (the "rise of Tryton" over many years) and not suddenly dumped ingame and retconned into the lore ("Tryton emerges from PR with uberpowerful artifact that instantly puts him on equal footing with the Kami and the Karavan" :rolleyes , ofcourse.

A "Trytonist" isn't neutral, I know that many players like to see it that way, but in my humble opinion that is a misconception.
"Neutral" describes a faction less state which would have had it advantages if Spires would have gone live.

Sywindt wrote:Gilgameesh: You have to look at it from the guild point of view: It is a Matis guild. Only neutral or Matis aligned people can be a member. This is because the people what run the guild have chosen to become civ aligned and only accept people with the correct civ alignment (or neutral.)

So whether the Trykers will accept you if you are in a Matis guild is not the question here. It's the guild leadership that says "nuh-uh".

Oh, ok, understood.
Thank you for the answer, Syw