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Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:38 pm
by razorfang
chibiarc wrote:People come and go in every mmo, maybe Ryzom was not the game they were looking for? There are many reasons to leave a game. However everyone who stays appreciates this, yes I would say so.

About the subscriptions it's as easy as: incoming people > leaving people.
So what's helping there? Make people stay / less people leave and of course more people coming.
How? Well if we knew the easy solution to this, we wouldn't discuss here right?

Btw, Shania, was your initial DP problem solved? I think your problem was, that the amount of DP you get depends on the highest skill. So to get rid of the DP you also need to use your highest skill, with anything lower it takes ages, yes. It should take about 3x 3k or so to get rid of 1x DP.

And a general thought about DP. Right now we are in easy mode. You can buy divine kisses to reduce the DP, also it decreases over time automatically. Back then nothing of this was possible ;)

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Well DP is not a simple case in my case as explained to Nitrouss, but you are right I have one high skill which is why I get a lot of DP and takes so long to clear it.

Divine kisses cost a lot and as for reducing over time for me that's a waste of time, as I might as well log and play something else.

But having said that my thread about doing away with DP was not just about me getting DP, but getting DP reminded me what DP was like in the game. However I've always thought it to be a bit over the top.

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:36 pm
by chibiarc
razorfang wrote:If you think 250 is the end (not saying that the chibiarc does btw) then you are only playing to level.
Yes, this is what I mean and I know those players exist and quit once done.

My personal ingame goals are completely independend from the current content and progress so I enjoy every day of it :)
I always hope for people to find their own reasons and goals to play and be it just the nice community to chat with.

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:31 am
by hemera
razorfang wrote:Ah. the infamous Nitrouss. Wondered when you would show up.

Took me over 40 minutes with Cats to get rid of 1 lot of DP.

To get rid of DP as fast as you claim (which is possible, probably a bit longer than 5 minutes though)
1) I'd have to stop what I was doing and move region.
2) I'd have to find a high level team to hunt with (not easy with current population levels). Plus it does not quite sit right with me, joining a team just to get rid of DP.

Then I'd be able to go back to the region I was working in. Seems a lot of hassle for just for dying once.

And ofc I could have called out for a Res, like people do. But by getting a Res you make the whole DP system useless anyway. DP does nothing much other than disrupt game play and although this community might not mind their game play being disrupted needlessly, a lot of other players would.



Not everyone has the luxury of a healing bot Nitrouss, healing bots make everything easier.



Lol, neXus members still pissed.
For your dp issue if its taking you 40 mins to get rid of a dp you are doing somthing wrong.
use a lower skill, all you need is max xp, using your highest skill isnt the key, xp is what counts.

As for a healing bot if you pissed about that dude just get a second account and support the game, dont get pissed cause i have one :p

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:28 am
by razorfang
hemera wrote:Lol, neXus members still pissed.
For your dp issue if its taking you 40 mins to get rid of a dp you are doing somthing wrong.
use a lower skill, all you need is max xp, using your highest skill isnt the key, xp is what counts.

As for a healing bot if you pissed about that dude just get a second account and support the game, dont get pissed cause i have one :p



I was using a low skill, still took approx 40 minutes. Ok this was digging which does not give max xp. But to get max xp I'd still have to move region and would still take a lot longer than 5 minutes to get rid of solo hunting. I could have purchased maybe a rifle and ammo and used an even lower skill, but I'd still have to change region get the new gear, kill whatever then take that gear and unload it somewhere so that I could change region again just so that I could carry on digging.

People on this forum keep saying it's not about leveling, never heard so much hog-wash ofc it's about leveling. How many times have you seen in chat windows someone say I've got 150 or 200 etc, in some skill. People certainly in the lower levels are there to level to get their characters to a stage when they can do something useful with them. The skill tree is too long imo anyway (as it spreads players along the skill tree too thinly) and backward steps (DP) do not help. Most people don't want to be beholden to established players all the time which is basically what happens in this game, whilst you're developing your character. You can't effectively make your own armor and weapons in this game as you develop because normally your fighting or magic skill progress quicker than your craft skills.


Rofl. as for your healing bot, I don't care that you have one. That comment was just to remind you that the majority of players don't have them.

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:37 am
by razorfang
katriell wrote: Already Ryzom's community is not what it used to be.

This is sadly, all too true. It seems the damage over the years has changed it greatly. I doubt that it'll ever go back to what it was like.

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:16 am
by razorfang
hemera wrote:Lol, neXus members still pissed.
Well I did have a few drinks last night :P

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:22 am
by hemera
whats you highest skill ? whats your 2h melee and whats your 1h melee levels ? :)

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:26 am
by chibiarc
Warning, Vicious Fyros Akenak sighted on forums.
Calling every homin to arms to fight this threat!

o/ Nit :p

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:29 am
by razorfang
hemera wrote:whats you highest skill ? whats your 2h melee and whats your 1h melee levels ? :)

N/A



Edit: Added this note because it's important to remember that the 3 threads I started (DP, Cats and TP tickets) are not meant to be about me, only the DP one affects my character anyway but was more about getting new people into the game and keeping them in the game.

Re: The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:33 pm
by killgore
I don't see that dp is that bad. Adds excitement to a close fight and really pretty easy to get rid of. Death Taxi was a form of travel early on as it was cheap and dp was gone in a few minutes.If you want to dig 40 minutes to rid it instead of taking 15 to port to Void and nuke a few jabs or zerx(2 or 3 at most). That's your choice. But to dump the only consequence of making a mistake or take the excitement out of the fight. Pretty much kills the the fun and accomplishment of a good fight.Risk reward are the basis of a good game.
As for the skill tree being to large. If we were to make it smaller with less skills new players would have zero chance of teaming with the low population. You effectivly remove vets as possible teammates. Just my two dappers