portios wrote:You say the Karavan are outsiders. so are homin, they belong in Atys just as much as Karavan do.
While I have agreed that the Kami lore does leave open the possibility of homins immigrating to Atys, and the Kara lore comes right out and says that (IIRC), I postulated that homins have integrated themselves into the ecosystem of Atys, whereas the Karavan keep themselves isolated from it.
That is an important distinction, and one that changes homin "evolution?" significantly: the sap of Atys flows through their bodies, unlike with the Karavan. That sap is what is drawn upon when manipulating the magicks. It is undetermined whether, NOW, homin life could exist somewhere besides Atys, given the changes that have taken place in their lifecycle. Would they just lose access to the manipulation of that mystical energy of which Atys is the center? Or would they cease to exist altogether, like a plant ripped out of the ground and placed in a cup or dish?
For that integration reason alone, I say that the Karavan are different enough from homins. If they were no different from the homins, why not isolate the homins from the "effects" of Atys as well? Why not raise them more closely in the Karavan ways, as heirs to the technology that appears to render them god-like?
In my opinion thats what any other homin race would be like if they got their hands on the blueprints for them shiny toys the Karavan have.
Yeah, definitely. To primitive civilizations, we would appear to be gods: communicate over long distances instantly, conjure fire by snapping our fingers (while holding a lighter), or one of any number of other advancements we take for granted today. The Matis approach to the Karavan seems the correct one, it's just too bad the lore doesn't match up with how closely the Matis are associated with the Karavan in the game mechanics.
I dont think either really gives a crap what hapens to homins. we are just cheap labor to them.
For the Karavan, I'd agree 100%. For the Kami, I'd say they don't care about the labor aspect so much, but more like: homins are another life on Atys to be protected, watched over, and -- because they are more capable than any other life form -- disciplined. In a sense, I'd say they care -less- about homins specifically than the Karavan, meaning they don't even consider them worthy of attention except when they work to undermine the balance of the ecosystem or empower the Karavan. One exception that springs to mind concerns the goo: homins are more expendable than Kami when it comes to finding the solution to that problem
everything about their faction is Great/good/acceptable, everything about the other faction is Horrible/bad/unacceptable.
The way the lore is set up so far, it doesn't seem likely enough that homins can integrate into Karavan society if they were removed from Atys as promised by Jena. The lore also doesn't seem to offer any sort of concrete hope for flinging yourself full-force into the will and worship of the Kami, either. However, the promises of the Karavan seem to have some sort of specificity to them, while the promises of the Kami seem to just be more of the same as what exists now.
Finally I think it would be sweet if homins got a hold of Karavan technology and used it to kick both Kara and Kami out of Atys.
This could work for the Karavan, but operating under the idea that the Kami are closely tied to the planet, you would have to destroy the planet to destroy the Kami.
Now I got to go to the Arispotle guild forums to find me a good Karavan guild with players in the Americas time zone.
Well, what eventually led me to my guild was friendship. It sounds like you've had a wonderful experience so far, and please allow me to join in welcoming you to Atys
And like many others have posted, you don't have to rush to join a guild. Many similarly-leveled people will be more than willing to team up with you for a variety of fun and frolic while you decide what's best for you.
