Ryzom

final60 wrote:Venividi vici Karavan?

Um, no.

VeniVidiVici is a neutral faction, neutral race guild. - Thanks Sprite!

(No offense intended with the rest of this post, and apologies for continuing the hi-jacking of this thread.)

We don't even pick a side for the convenience of teleporters. We WALK (well, okay, run, with speed through HOP) to the 250 zones and the Roots, and we work very hard to develop homin-kind relationships across all boundaries. We take our neutrality very seriously.

If you would like to read more, you could have followed Bahtan's link to VeniVidiVici's home forum and read our introductory post (http://ryzom.vx3lan.com/ryzom/viewtopic.php?t=556), or read the Guild Roster post of Sprite's in the guild forums (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23509).

<sighs and goes back to work>

okay back in character now then.

I can't understand what it is like to be nuetral. I can't shake the thought that Nuetrals are nothing more then opportunists.

Why should a Kami guild give you hand outs. There are enough of our own Faction that need these hand outs. Besides your guild owns an outpost!?

I put it to the Kami that we shouldn't act as individual guilds, we should see ourselves as one faith loyal to each other. If we helped each other out. We would progress more then we have done. *But instead alot of us are acting like Nuetrals, and not helping fight for the cause.

final60 wrote:okay back in character now then.

I can't understand what it is like to be nuetral. I can't shake the thought that Nuetrals are nothing more then opportunists.

Why should a Kami guild give you hand outs. There are enough of our own Faction that need these hand outs. Besides your guild owns an outpost!?

I put it to the Kami that we shouldn't act as individual guilds, we should see ourselves as one faith loyal to each other. If we helped each other out. We would progress more then we have done. *But instead alot of us are acting like Nuetrals, and not helping fight for the cause.

They should because they said they would, plain and simple. I'm not going to debate my neutrality, or Venividivici's with you on the boards. If Eleythria chooses to change the "rules" that's fine, but then the alliances that have developed will likely change. That isn't a threat, it's just a fact. Politics is an ever shifting landscape. If the rules have already changed, a little communication would improve the situation because people and guilds would know where they stand in relation to the former promise.

Having said that all that, for now I am content to wait and see how Eleythria handles this issue. I understand that leadership changes and splintering can cause great problems that need some time to work out. However, my email box is always open.

Concise responce from zysha many thanks Zysha

so what now?

Eley its upto you guys i guess

For the information of those that want to turn this (and everything else in the game) into a Faction vs. Faction flame fest....

When Zysha first took over the OP, she posted on the boards, openly, where ANYONE could read and reply, offering the opportunity to ANYONE with no OP, or that only had a q50 OP, a part in it. All they had to do was show up to help take it over. If more of one faction than another happened to take part.... well, there is no rest of that statement, because it doesn't matter. People who took part in fight to help take it over were a part of the original distribution list. Others took q100 or higher OPs after the original takeover, and opted out of the distribution list due to that fact. Those guilds then heavily contributed to the distribution, helping out other guilds.

Yes, Vx3 has a q50 OP, and we freely give those cats away in every base city to anyone who asks, regardless of faction. We have also constructed trade agreements with several guilds who are very generous in sharing with Vx3.

I, for one, attempt to keep things civil and refrain from name-calling. This is nothing more than a statement of facts addressed to those who choose to jump into a thread just to argue, when they obviously have done no research to find out what they're talking about before they type.

greymar wrote: All they had to do was show up to help take it over.

Slight correction, as this comes across as if there were strings attached to who got on the list and that was not the case. The list and the op fight were independent as many persons on it who did not assist in taking the op can attest.

Zysha

nonde wrote:Slight correction, as this comes across as if there were strings attached to who got on the list and that was not the case. The list and the op fight were independent as many persons on it who did not assist in taking the op can attest.

Zysha

Ah, quite correct. Thanks for that correction.

final60 wrote:No offense but i don't like the idea of a kami guild sharing their goods with Karavan. Take a look at the OP list of who owns what, and you'll see Karavan have more then enough resources to share amongst themselves. Unless I'm mistaken and Eleythera is infact Nuetral? hmm :/

you dont like factions sharing with each other? ok, i'll remember that next time you send a Kami to me for armor, which i made with my own mats and gave for free.