totnkopf wrote:So instead you're a puppet with sight. You complain and moan, whine and groan, yet you're still here, and you're still paying your sub. So, where it matters to Nevrax, you're ok with everything they're doing because, in the end, they still get their money and you're still here. If you truly wanted to show them you didn't agree with these changes, then you'd have canceled your sub and moved on.
Blaah may be.....at the moment ..... but where's all those other peeps we used to play with ?....where's all the other guilds and peeps who used to be here up to Episode 2 ? Why are there so many "Sorry to say it but Goodbye" threads on the forums ? Why are many of us doing weekly "flushings" of our friends list bto remove peeps who have left the game ? Why are the majority of the people in the poll against this restriction ?
There is no way that one can say that those who choose to be neutral are not losing more than those who choose a faction. Why do they have to lose any more than anyone else ?
My take is Blaah is making one last plea for Nevrax to reconsider some of the changes and provide a way of playing the game that Blaah bought into Ryzon for. And if Blaah does cancel, how does that help the FvF proponents ? Considering Nevrax's financial position, the fact that so many people have left and that so many people are expressing their disatisfaction with the direction the game is taking can't bode well for the future of the game. I am sure the bankruptcy court is paying attention to the subscription numbers. Why encourage more to leave by telling people if they don't like it, get out ??
I have cut our two subscriptions down to 1 month renewal. In perusing the boards I see others have taken this step. I have done this for several reasons 1) being that so many friends have left, 2) I don't get as much out of the game as I used to, 3) I don't wanna pay that bill for 12 months and then a month later the courts say "it's over Nevrax".
A night doesn't go by it seems without getting a "bye bye pm" and I have done my best to encourage these peeps to watch the roadmap and boards to see if any future changes might bring them back. Personally I am still sitting on the fence with the changes. As a Fyros dude, the changes make it more difficult to play with my young son a Tryker. If I go along with the FvF stuff, as soon asI can get access to PR, I become KOS when I go to tryker. Aslo gonna make it more difficult for me to continue woking Tryker crafts.
But I think that any change which a substantial amount of people are unhappy with bodes very bad for the game and it's loyal players. I don't understand why giving similar advantages to various playing styles is objectionable to any one group.
totnkopf wrote: However, let me take a different approach here. What kind of things do you expect to get as a Neutral (remember this has to make sense both for game mechanics AND with the story. Kara/kami aren't gonna bend over backwards and give rewards to those who defy them).
I was Cubmaster for a church sponsored Cub Scout pack for a church I didn't belong to. I ran a baseball league for another church that I didn't belong to. My grandmother goes to Bingo at a church she doesn't belong to. Nobody complained that I wasn't a church member. If kami / kara wants to give their faithful a free ride fine, they been charging everyone 12,250 all this time, continue to do so.....what church cares as to the frame of mind of the peep buying the cake at the bake sale ? Kamis and Kara can give their worshippers free cake, I don't think neutrals will mind paying for theirs.
And I don't think anyone is "defying" these so called gods. No one is taking active steps against them. I wouldn't venture to speak for anyone else but I, for one, in RP mode am more concerened with the kitin threat than bickering between self proclaimed deities. Is Killing Kitin in the interests of these deities ? If so, then it is in their interests to help people who do that. Each kitin killed is a kitin that ain't killing their converts.
totnkopf wrote:Creating a whole new "faction" doesn't work, as Aajolea has pointed out, since they lack unity in their goals. Some are pacificts who want no war, others want the ability to do everything they can, just not commit themselves to a faction
Again, from the FvF PoV I can't see how one in that mindset would fathom what does or doesn't work for those that are not proponents of FvF. Those who choose not to participate in FvF simply want to kill kitin as they have been doing, many of them for almost 2 years. The lore states that Atys was once united in face of the kitin threat. Why must those dedicated to that unity and concerned with the greater threat of the kitin be curtailed in the face of these self proclaimed deities ?
At a point in Atys' past, leaders of the 4 races banded together and united all homins in the face of the kitin threat. Let this third faction honor the "spirit" of these great leaders in Atys' history. Let neutrals honor these great heroes of the past. Let neutrals build monuments to them. Let neutrals have outposts near PR portals to be the "advance guard" against these threats. Let the spirits of these great leaders grant neutrals the power to tp to all regions. Why can't neutrals be rewarded for being dedicated to the greater good of Atys ? I don't see how would that conflict with any of these "diverse" reasons for being neutral ? Nor would it provide any advantage over FvF'ers. The only thing it would do is remove an advantage that currently exists for those who chose a specific play style.
totnkopf wrote:So instead, the neutrals should get all the TPs, while those who had the courage to commit themselves to a faction lose half of them?
I have trouble equating genocide with courage. On the tp point, let's not equate not being able to get to the most convenient spot with not being able to get there at all. As a 250 level harvester and 200 level crafter, I need to get to 200+ mat areas....If I choose FvF, I can still get there, neutrals can't, not reasonably.
The "sneak" option is a "faux" option. I have traveled alone to most areas on Atys and enjoy the challenge but more often than not I die in a solo attempt. How does the casual player spend their 1-2 hours of playing time....sneaking into ToT....and then the next nite harvesting a bagfull and then tp'ing out .... so one will be able to make progress on their PR dig maybe every other nite if they are lucky ? Or maybe they just make another toon on a 2nd account who fakes allegiance to one faction or another to get the tp's and then tp's in and out when their bag is full.
And not mentioned is that neutrals can't get more than 50% favor at npc's so they are economically disadvantaged yet again. Neutrals, who don't want to fight any homin, can't "hold" an outpost so can't get all those nice xp crystals and can't get all the other advantages of outpost ownership.
totnkopf wrote:So, you're neutral, you get some of the cookies. You're kami, you get some of the cookies. And you're kara, you get some of the cookies. None of them get ALL of the cookies and thats the way it should be. If one side got ALL, then everyone would be neutral,
This concept of everyone getting an equal share of cookies is false. It's like putting a bunch of dollar bills in a bag and saying everybody gets 12 bills. One peep has 12 bills in their hand and the other has 12 bills in their hand and the fact that one peep's are all 100 dollar bills and the other's are all 1 dollar bills doesn't seem to matter....after all we al have the same amount of bills.
It seems there is a lot of "I got mine and anything that makes it harder for other peeps to get the same advantages I have" is good. The majority of peeps who already had a set of Aen armor thought it was great idea to make it much harder to get. The majority who already completed all the race rites thinks it's great that that's gonna be a real headache now.
Even within the FvF ranks itself, racial spells will be a bit more difficult to get when guards are KOS'ing but if I got mine already who cares ? It seems to make sense to me that if I am going to claim loyalty to one civilization, I should forfeit any benefits from other racial spells or rites. How many who "already got theirs" will be in favor of that ? Why is there such an objection to peeps who want to play a different way from being able to get as cool stuff as everybody else a problem ?
The neutrals aren't asking for anything MORE than the FvF's have, they have invested a lot of time and money in creating the toon that they want to play and now are being told that they will be penalized for it. The alternative is to "fake" allegiance and turn the PvP tag off. If there was an objection on a RP basis to the recent changes, I would have expected this to be it.
