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In your mind it is not acceptable, I personally would have to agree with the opinion. Others will not see this view and only see that they are contributing to their cause in a positive way. In all reality whether a RP'er or casual player you enter any dangerous area knowing full well that anything may happen to cause the rise of DP. In the case of AD it is heightened to where it is an acceptable method for players to do whatever they can to gain the upper hand. Remember winning is everything, 2nd place only means you were the first loser.

To add my opinion about this whole DP thing, if you really don't like DP make sure you have a plan set to have a back up healer ready with an aura and a speed up for those lovely kincher situations. Other than that if you really hate DP stay out of AD till you level everything you want to 250 then you can stop worrying about clearing it. Then again if you did that, that would stop threads like these and people watching the forums would get bored.

If pullling kinchers is ok and a War tactic....

Then lets make no difference :
PUT DP FOR ALL DEATHS IN THE PLAINS: death from mobs AND players...

We will see if it is so interesting to such a large audience after

totnkopf wrote:LoL... so I suppose ONLY the kami have been doing it?

Now u got it! sure maby kinchers been pulled by mistake, but richard pulls on purpose(not sure spelling) i mean he runs around gets i dunno 5-6 kinchers and then runs to us. maby we kara attacking u and prolly get 1-2 kinchers on us whitout seenig them, we even kill them b4 attacking!

they said that "In old lands, there is still strong kitin present". so, they cant remove aggro.
remove dp ? but then, it could be non-PvP area because you have to fight "stupid npc mobs" and not "smart human players".
add honor from killing kitin ? it would be used as exploit on "harvesting honor points"

in all.. i think Nevrax is enjoying what they accomplised.
they are laughing so hard that they cant even answer here (yeah, some posts from nevrax do appear)

now.. if dragging kinchers is legit tactics, then do it elsewhere in Atys too because YOU CAN DO IT TO HIM TOO or YOU CAN SCARE MOB AWAY

smolfine wrote:Now u got it! sure maby kinchers been pulled by mistake, but richard pulls on purpose(not sure spelling) i mean he runs around gets i dunno 5-6 kinchers and then runs to us. maby we kara attacking u and prolly get 1-2 kinchers on us whitout seenig them, we even kill them b4 attacking!

I'll say it again, BOTH sides are doing it. Pointing fingers at one side, or asserting that the Kami side is rigged so that its harder for Karavan to attack since there are kincher spawns, is just plain stupid. Both sides have kincher spawns (as well as the center) and both sides have died to them and dragged them.

Again, both sides have done it, both sides are guilty of it.

totnkopf wrote:I'll say it again, BOTH sides are doing it. Pointing fingers at one side, or asserting that the Kami side is rigged so that its harder for Karavan to attack since there are kincher spawns, is just plain stupid. Both sides have kincher spawns (as well as the center) and both sides have died to them and dragged them.

Again, both sides have done it, both sides are guilty of it.

Fine. name the Karavan players that are doing it, we can have a massive war crimes trial and crucify ALL the offenders, on BOTH sides.
Richard not only does it repeatedly, he openly brags about it. While there may be other Kami players that have done it to me, I play a healer and rarely even see the names of the people on the other side. Especially not if its a Kincher that is doing all the damage.

Playing like an ganker is a personal choice - you DONT have to do it.

altomesa wrote:The community will remember your actions long after the war is over.

The Divine Council of Pyr
The Soul
The Forsaken Soul
...because Harassement/unHonorable fights.

OOC: I will re-post:

For the record, I don't condone the training of aggro mobs to other players regardless of faction. I am not stating a sinle faction does, it happens on both, and players doing that are slowly losing my respect both IC and OOC. Using and pulling kinchers 'on purpose' (accidents may happen or unexpected pops or etc.) has only one goal, to inflate your ego. Those are cheap and lame tactics. Stating that it is "using the environment" is not neither a valid or acceptable argument. Stating "the Kami/Karavan do it too" does not justify that auction, and I will be accusing individuals, not factions. Regardless of the meaning of "honor" in game, there is no honor in fighting like that. Show that you are skilled/powerful/organized/higher level/better geared/whatever. There is a reason why dying because of nuking does not cause DP and by environment does. By doing that you are *actively* griefing another player, slowing his progression and precisely giving a bad name to PvP. I have been stacking DP "naturally" and I don't mind.

I don't care wether it is stated or not and I don't care if GMs/Guides do something about it or not. I consider aggro training as harassment and breaking the Code Of Conduct. If a player behaves badly, it is our obligation to report it and to denounce it in region.

Disapproving this 'strategy',

pr0ger wrote:The Divine Council of Pyr
The Soul
The Forsaken Soul
...because Harassement/unHonorable fights.

Uncalled for. This kind of finger pointing helps no one.

Um, I don't really have much to add aside from the fact that we only tend to see the grievances commited against our side - but in reality, both are guilty. From digging in Aelius two days ago, I got the impression that all that the Karavans did was hunt us. I saw a grand total of two karavan diggers that entire day BUT the lists showed a balance of karavan and kami diggers in the top 10, thus meaning that my perception was wrong. Somewhere, somehow, there were a bunch of karavan diggers being picked on by kami squads just like we kami diggers were being attacked by karavan squads. I've seen the karavan drag kinchers towards the kami camp - especially when there were many dead by the gates with only a few healers left trying to res and run back quickly into the camp so that they wouldn't be taken down as well. BUT I've also seen kamis attack karavan without a word while the karavan were still trying to negotiate a truce - and yep kinchers popped and it became another aggro dragging fest. It's naive to think that only one side is doing this. Although you yourself may fight honourably, not all your kin will do the same.

Um, yeh kinda pointless but got it off my chest