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virii wrote:I dout anyone else will be posting the CoC has been broken about 15 times on this thread..

how has the CoC been broken? Didn't notice anything quite that bad.

Noh
Zorai
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LOL Zyros, long post for nothing
you can't convince me with words if you still killing ppl down there
do you have the right to do that or not i have the right to ignore you completely

i'll take the same actions as Oneofone

bye, blondy

I think you're blithely missing a few things...

"Fair enough. Why should we kill people in PR, with a good reason, and not let people know we do it and/or why?"

What good reason?

Factional conflict might be a good reason, the only really legitimate reason under the roleplay situation as laid out, yet the killing seems to be largely indiscriminate and petty when not between two PvP oriented guilds.

In the larger faction conflict guild Vs guild makes little sense (unless the guilds are from warring factions).

What remains then?

Banditry.

If you're going to play bandits you have to accept the consequences of those actions, that means things like this where you end up shunned or hunted. I'm of the opinion that shunning is a more effective tactic since fighting back would only give the PK guilds what they want - a fight.

The problem with player-based enforcement in these sorts of games is that the people who object to such behaviour often aren't the ones interested in PvP, power levelling or fighting so they don't make a very effective police force. Unless the devs bring in some sort of consequence there's really not a great deal to be done.

All of this of course assuming there is any actual REASON for this predatory and antisocial behaviour outside of nastiness, insecurity and meanness.

"Why do you say 'legal' with the apostrophes? Are we griefing? Nope, we're not. Are we inhibiting the freedom of other people? Nope, we're not doing that either."

Arguably yes, you're doing both in some cases.

"Griefing is destroying the fun of others for no apparent reason besides pissing people off. Sure, we destroy fun if we kill you... IF you perceive it that way. Many people enjoy the PvP aspect. It provides spice to the game that could otherwise be quite dull."

Yep, I'd say you are destroying the fin of others, for no apparent reason and you're definately pissing people off. At best estimate 10-15% of the playerbase actually cares for PvP, less than is estimated in most other games. It doesn't add spice or interest - largely because there's no consequences for either victim or persecutor save some annoyance and inconvenience for the person being repeatedly killed while harvesting.

Its JUST annoying.

"However, those who don't enjoy the PvP aspect get mad. Bluntly, if you don't like PvP... don't go in the PvP zones. THere have been arguments over being killed without warning.. but if oyu think about it, when you enter the PvP zone, you get a warning saying you are attackable by others."

But one would expect those people to have some actual RP reason to attack people. "Hur hur, die n00b, pwned" isn't really very endearing.

"Yep, we've got a policy. We do what we want where we want, within the moral boundaries. If there is a PvP zone, then there is a reason for the PvP zone. If the reason for the PvP zone is something we were fighting for (supernodes, in this case), then killing someone in a PvP zone because of the reason of the PvP zone isn't crossing a moral boundary."

No, you're still not getting it.

"Crossing a moral boundary would be kill stealing, aggro dragging, hacking, anything underhanded. Is killing in a PvP zone for a solid reason crossing that boundary? I think not. If it crosses your boundary, I think you might want to look at your moral code.. Not saying you've got a problem - just saying perhaps your moral code might be a bit harsh."

You'd need a solid reason first, thus far, none given.

"Now, about your comment about history - Yes, we are strong. If you don't like the fact we are unchallenged, then why don't you take it upon yourself to challenge us? we'd welcome it, I'm sure. It'd add more spice to the game, for me, at least."

See, that's the problem. The people you annoy don't WANT to challenge you or give you spice and enjoyment, they want to punish you and remove an impediment to the enjoyment of others. Fighting you would only reward you.

"So you're saying that you're going ot shun/ignore/not rezz people, just because you don't like how they play within the moral boundaries of killing in a PvP zone? I mean really, there's nothing to be disgusted over. So someone died in a PvP zone because of a legitimate reason. Big deal."

No, no legitimate reasons. Just ganking anyone who comes in sight.

"So what does one deduce from the fact that there is a PvP zone where the most sought after mats in teh game pop? Generally, one deduces that the PvP zone was put in place to allow rivaling powers to fight over the best materials in the game."

Rivalling powers. Your words. Not 'Bullies to gank anyone and anything that comes within 250m of them'.

"It is teamwork, though. We are only deemed bullies because we have the power to fight for what we want instead of sharing. Sure, we're selfish. I know. We're selfish because we can be. If you want to fight back and stop us from being selfish, then bring along a group and fight us for whatever we bully for. "

Again, no, that would be giving you what you want. Why should you be rewarded for being powerlevelling, ganking pains in the collective ass?

You're deemed bullies, because you're bullies.

"You can't really ask taht and get a truthful answer. Either way, it will be partially false. If I said yes, it would only apply to the PvP zones, because when you enter a PvP zone it's like signing a disclaimer..blah blah blah, already said this once."

OK, if entering the zone is like ticking the box and clicking 'next' on the software agreement, the background, lore and RP political situation is the software agreement itself.

What we agree to is faction and story based PvP, limited to certain zones and events. Not for any random spazz who cliffed their way to 250 elemental to nuke us willy-nilly taking advantage of the unbalanced abilities.

I just don't think you guys get it and I'm tempted to join this 'sanction' against you.

asaseth wrote:how has the CoC been broken? Didn't notice anything quite that bad.

Noh
Zorai
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Read all the swearing

grimjim wrote:I think you're blithely missing a few things...

I was gonna make a similar post... but then it dawned to me...

They will miss the point completely wrapped up in their own warped logic

So short of thanking you for doing it for me there's very little for me to say

or perhaps a request to all concerned: stop these PvP posts, the people you are trying to convince are unable to understand what you mean.

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