The Last Straw

[iphdrunk]

Hello,

This is going to be my last post on the subject, and it will be a long post. This post is addressed to all the involved players, including myself. Call me a carebear, call me a peace maker, ignore my post, I'm fine. My goal with this post? forget the whole last week and let it go. Will I succeed? not sure. Do you think I am whinning and as Milfy says "I need cheese"? not really, I'm rather asking. Maybe I need some love :*) or maybe I just need to vent and type....Don't mind my wording tho, english is, to my biggest dismay a foreing language to me.

I'm based in Europe. Unfortunately, this means that most days, from 6:00 PM EST to 2:00 AM EST I'm sleeping. You'll say "well, go play EE!"... true.. and I thought about it, but I was in NA shard from the very beginning, I enjoyed going through FBT and I had a great time being in Takashi's FBT-Melinoe. So I stayed. It was also curious to be the very first player in the shard I played alone for 2 days and I had the best customer support ever 2 GMs per player. This means that I have to stay awake sometimes to share a passion with friends I made. This also means that I cannot witness everything that happens, and that I don't know most things. This is also the reason why I post here (I should not) because I cannot contact you all easily in game.


For starters, I applaud, to some extent, the "loyalty" the each player is showing to his mates. We all make mistakes and bad decisions. I try to get a reasonable view of minor issues even if this may mean that someone on our side did something wrong. Yes, it happens.

A difficult issue in these *games* minor conflicts is the duality "a guild member represents the guild and as such the whole guild is to blame for a member's action" and "it is not because a player is in a guild that I have to take sides and consider long-time friends and nice players as *cough*enemies*" The former is a good means to add roleplay if kept in a healthy RPG-wise and fun way. I fully understand the second.

Let's get things real. Atys is not a hippy world. Some players will not get on well with others and that's a fact. Unfortunately, this is getting too personal. Good friends are feeling harassed. Good friends that play for fun feel like they are at blame. No one objectively can get a full view of the situation. When minor (yes minor) conflict arise, there are always too many "he said/she said", too many "he/she did and I did not". Naturally, we all tend to believe our own guildmates/friends, because we learn to know them, we laugh with them, we play with them a few hours a day.

In this particular case, we are all to blame, we have all made bad choices and it's hard for us to apologyze. My biased opinion on the subject? why stir things up once and again?. If you know that you did something that according to your own principles it's on the edge, think about it. For example, I asked takashi about storing mats on vendors. The official answer was "it is not a bug nor a exploit" YAY, Let's go... you know, I still don't use them, just because I still think I shouldn't, despite how convinient it may be.


I tend to think I'm mature enough to make the difference between a player and a toon. I like the way Raynes, DT and Zen are adding a bit of healthy racial conflict to the game. What is my personal position? I am not mad. Shocked at first? yes. Driven by a real time emotion? yes. I slept since then, and I'm cool. Heck, I did not even get DP actually.

@Zen: you are a good guild leader, as I've been told. I enjoyed playing with Pandorae and Pheid a few months ago. I am going to use this subject as an excuse to jump in and get more involved in the background lore and roleplaying. I'll roleplay a non extremist karavan supporter. I'll clearly make the difference between IG and OOC. We can discuss details OOC, we can roleplay IG. I will not attack harvesters, and, unless consensually, I will not strike first. I can bear up, to some extent, being killed while moving, or even harvesting (well some tribes already do) but racial conflicts do not mean kill on sight. All I ask, is that if OOC I feel like digging quietly for a while, please let me dig for a few, prolly after a pull or two I'll switch to HP gear and we can have some fun PvPing.

@Jug: I've talked to you for a few hours since the early ages. I understand you gave your support to a guildmate when you learnt something that according to your principles was wrong. I don't agree with some things (you could have talked first, I was also there), but it's no biggie...

@Spike: I'm afraid I have not had the chance, for good or bad, to play with you often. For any reason, you wanted your guild to put a bounty on sin's head. Ok it was done. I died too, btw. Now, I am kindly asking you not to have a whole guild hunting him down. Not only because he's a friend, but also because having a whole (large) guild hunting down a single player seems wrong to me (again, own opinion)

In summary, I, for one, am going to go more into a healthy fun RPG. I won't ask a guild member to stop playing with/chatting with/Teamspeaking with any player. Let's just forget this. Right now, I feel sad to see players not having fun. I don't really care about "who was first/wo did what". If every action is going to have a reaction this will never end.

Thanks for reading and bearing with me

Regards,
Anissa

[vaquero1]

I was outnumbered and not armed and just ignored them and waited to see if they would leave or be griefers. Eventually after Malion either ran out of focus or got bored they moved on.

Funny thats not how you explained it in the first post.



forget it
o well you win whatever it is getting old

[roninpvp]

Funny thats not how you explained it in the first post.

Again you lie. That is my first post on this topic. Read the thread again.

Fact you Malion and Juggernaut were around me while Malion harressed me.

Fact we waited minute to rez spike after which he cussed me out.

Fact juggernaut attacked me for Spike while in the middle of a pull with me not realizing the person you mentioned in the post was me. I really had no idea that Spike was being serious in his threats. How should I know that waiting one minute to rez someone would cause so much hatred. You call not healing Spike asap a "crime against CP" what hypocrites you are. Lie all you want you guys started this by harressing me out of the blue. Lets look at the time line.

1.) Kako cursing me out - reported.

2.) Malion hitting my nodes so I could not harvest - reported.

3.) Spike being a giant jerk and threatening us while hunting causing us to wait ONE MINUTE before a rez.

4.) Juggernaut killing me and Anissa while we were peacefully digging even ignoring the other player who had just chased Anissa into agro (he had a pick out now so I left him alone).

[bodywand]

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[skipster]

Hello as many of you know my in game name is Malion the accusee of sinfuls accusations.


1. I was tapping his sources becuase he pissed me off in game and i retaliated on him with the intent of interrupting his foraging due to the fact that he puts mats on the vendor for insane amounts of money.

2. He did not sit there and say nothing it was provoked by himself

3. I have had beef ever since melinoe and CP were fighting in nexus and he flat out told his guild members that they "can not" fight with CP due to the fact that we were roleplaying with melinoe, and having some fun.

4.I did not take the stance of killing a harvester I politely asked him to stop storing mats on the vendor. He said "whatever hitting my sources is bad manners"

5. I told him that storing mats on the vendor with no intent to sell is bad manners.

6. another reason i did it is because we have had beef with sin for a while now and it was time for peaceful retaliation we could have killed him but we did not so that says something about character.


Sinful if you want to put the screenies up that is ok by me i encourage you to do so with your guild in which you have about a half a leg to stand on so lets talk if you want to badmouth me and do not send a guild member to do it grow some gonads and stand up to me like a man.




MALION

[skipster]

Sinful storing mats on vendor - Reported

[roninpvp]

Hello as many of you know my in game name is Malion the accusee of sinfuls accusations.


1. I was tapping his sources becuase he pissed me off in game and i retaliated on him with the intent of interrupting his foraging due to the fact that he puts mats on the vendor for insane amounts of money.

2. He did not sit there and say nothing it was provoked by himself

3. I have had beef ever since melinoe and CP were fighting in nexus and he flat out told his guild members that they "can not" fight with CP due to the fact that we were roleplaying with melinoe, and having some fun.

4.I did not take the stance of killing a harvester I politely asked him to stop storing mats on the vendor. He said "whatever hitting my sources is bad manners"

5. I told him that storing mats on the vendor with no intent to sell is bad manners.

6. another reason i did it is because we have had beef with sin for a while now and it was time for peaceful retaliation we could have killed him but we did not so that says something about character.


Sinful if you want to put the screenies up that is ok by me i encourage you to do so with your guild in which you have about a half a leg to stand on so lets talk if you want to badmouth me and do not send a guild member to do it grow some gonads and stand up to me like a man.




MALION

I unlike some abide by the terms of use. Glad you clarified you have intentially targeted me out since back then.

To your comments.

1.) I do store mats on vendor yes but I asked CSR if that was ok and was told it was not against the rules. I put them up for those large amounts so nobody accidently buys my mats with all there dappers. I chose the amount because I believed nobody has that amount in game and I would thus not cause someone grief by accidently buying my mats.

2.) Yes when I saw you guys I said "Sup" ....

3.) I asked others to wait till we all voted on what to do since we have always made decissions as a group.

4.) Hitting a source after source is for the sole intent of making them useless is harressment. Go ahead and do it some more to others and see if that is not the case.

5.) It was clearly told to me by CSR it is not a bug nor an exploit. I even took the thought of making them amounts that were clearly high to prevent people from accidently buying them. If someone wants to by my mats fine thats how much they are worth to me since dappers to me are useless.

6.) Harressment does say alot about your character...

Well since I've said all there is that I believe can be said on this topic I'm done. I will not respond anymore to this thread since I've explained everything to the best of my knowledge.

[archie]

I have seen more crying on this thread than 2 babies that got in a fight.

Sounds to me like some people can't just deal with changing times.


what goes around comes around.

if you can't put up with the same stuff you dish out.
then go to bed. and cry a little more.

[iphdrunk]

Sinful storing mats on vendor - Reported

(Off topic, just to let things clear)
I did not agree with storing mats on the vendor, so I took the right way and asked Takashi about it. GMs view on the subject "storing mats on NPC" (unrelated to this thread) "this is not considered a bug nor a exploit". This behaviour is fine with nevrax, for what it seems. Takashi asked himself to "the powers that be". Sinful is not the only player doing that, and GMs did nevertheless state that touching someone sources to prevent him from digging was indeed considered wrong. I don't think we should chase all players that store mats on NPC just because we think it's wrong.

[skipster]

I unlike some abide by the terms of use. Glad you clarified you have intentially targeted me out since back then.

Definition of Harrasment=the act of tormenting by CONTINUED persistent attacks and criticism.


How many times did i do it ONCE that is not harassment, read the dictionary.