Ryzom

btamilio wrote:Oh.... I can just see the line of level 1 doppleganger wanna-bes at Pyr now:

"I'm JubberJubber the alt of JibbyJab, guildmaster of The Unicorn Commitee"
"No I am!"
"No, I am!!111!!"
"Ok, then I'm really FlubberNub, guildmaster of Ve Ri Tas. I mean, Exit the Cave"
"But SlibberJub is right here, he's the guildmaster of Exit the Cave..."

Very interesting to be sure. I think I like the way this is worded, and the message is a valid one IMO.

I think Zumwalt has offered some very good sugestions. So have many others. I don't think the trek is possible any more, but I am willing to try. I have offered in other post that I will send screenshots of the meeting to anyone interested, and I am prepared to open our teamspeak up to those leaders that cannot attend the meeting, but have quesitons they wish to have passed on. I know this will not make everyone happy and I am sorry, we will do whatever we can, but we are going to this meeting.

jivalax wrote:Very interesting to be sure. I think I like the way this is worded, and the message is a valid one IMO.

I think Zumwalt has offered some very good sugestions. So have many others. I don't think the trek is possible any more, but I am willing to try. I have offered in other post that I will send screenshots of the meeting to anyone interested, and I am prepared to open our teamspeak up to those leaders that cannot attend the meeting, but have quesitons they wish to have passed on. I know this will not make everyone happy and I am sorry, we will do whatever we can, but we are going to this meeting.

The point isn't a matter of simply posting the message on a website or letting people in on teamspeak. The point is that this is a meeting that is suppose to discuss how all guilds and all races can work together to fight the Kitin. The only problem is that many players and guilds can not make it to the meeting due to things beyond their control.

In a pure roleplaying sense, if there is an important meeting to discuss something and it is held where it's impossible for some to attend, then there is an issue with those who are being left out.

I have already decided that seeing as its impossible for me or members of my guild to attend I will not be a part of any co-operative effort to fight the kitin. This is my own personal choice and my guild is not responcible for my actions. In fact when they do invade I have every intention of going and sitting off in the distance and not joining in the fight. Should they kill me, it won't be ANY different than if I tried to go through the Prime Roots to this meeting. If the holders of this event think nothing of having me sacrifice myself to attend this meeting, then they should think nothing of me not fighting invasions.

raynes wrote:In a pure roleplaying sense, if there is an important meeting to discuss something and it is held where it's impossible for some to attend, then there is an issue with those who are being left out.

This is simply not true, and I don't follow your logic. What do you mean by stating that holding a meeting where some may be able to attend and some may not is an issue? I sense that you have an issue with it because you feel it will be difficult for smaller guilds and characters that do not have a way to get to Pyr to attend. So, that's an issue that you have, but it is not a "pure roleplaying" issue.

To me, one of the hallmarks of a well-crafted fantasy world is complexity. I agree with you that not all guilds and characters will be able to make it to Pyr for the meeting, but that does not mean that this event is broken. I don't think that the following is the best comparison, but it's the closest that I can come up with: in the real world, when there is a meeting of the World Bank, IMF, WTO, UN, or whatever, is everyone able to make it? No; in fact, many are not even invited, and that's why people protest. But not even everyone who would like to protest can always make it, due to financial status or other conflicts. This event is open to all guilds, but some will not be able to make it due to conflicts. That's the way it is; it may seem unfair, but then the world is unfair, and so, I would imagine, is Atys.

So it's ok to sacrifice fun for a realistic experience?

It should be available, and considered content, for all players who pay. If you CAN go but DON'T then you have no room to protest.

If you CAN'T go but WANT to, then you should be able to attend. Current mechanics make this nearly impossible (here's the damned if you do, damned if you don't dilemma).

I hate to disrupt the RP-ness of the event but because the game lacks any real content, this event and any like it stick out and is probably something most if not all players are interested in.

I have no experience in PR so I'll have to ask those that do. What kind of creative solutions are actually viable? I mean, how many ways are there to get people from point A to point B? Walk or port, right?

Maybe there are other ways, but lack of information about how to actually play the game and what things mean, etc. might be hiding these creative solutions?

how exactly you propose to GATHER? the gingos will slaughter you before any matis exits majestic garden... not talking of the bigger monsters...

jesder wrote:I dont think you could fight your way anymore ... Not sure you can even sneak your way past anymore either.

I haven't read the last few pages of this thread, but it's possible, don't worry. We've exped mobs as high as 220 in groups less than that, able to handle single adds as well fighting them. Fearing adds that haven't yet been damaged is a safe way to handle them, and 2 out of the 3 routes that were previously doable have mobs of about 170 at the highest. The last route (zorai --> tryker) has mobs higher than we could safely fear (prime roots), but that PR zone is comparatively very easy and aggro free once you single pull the guards and clear them.

yy48n19 wrote:This is simply not true, and I don't follow your logic. What do you mean by stating that holding a meeting where some may be able to attend and some may not is an issue? I sense that you have an issue with it because you feel it will be difficult for smaller guilds and characters that do not have a way to get to Pyr to attend. So, that's an issue that you have, but it is not a "pure roleplaying" issue.

It was announced that this meeting was of high importance and everyone should attends. Those are not my words, that is what was announced. So if you have a meeting where you say it's important for everyone to attend, then put it in a place where many can not attend there is a problem there.

This is a roleplay issue becuase you are introducing and important event that will effect the future of my characters life, one where it is important for him to be a part of. Yet it's being setup by default that he nor a representive of him is able to attend.

On a personal note, the event people who I raved about when the game started for being on top of things, have really taken a nose dive concerning events. So far the live events have been poorly thought out and poorly planned. For one they have had events raids in the land of the Fryos and Matis, but ignored the other two lands. The "find people" type events are very poorly planned out. This was very clear by the fact that the Tryker one was completed by someone just finding the person without even looking. even worse was the fact that this person who was kidnapped what just sitting nicely unguarded. If you were kidnapped, would you just be sitting in one spot if no one was guarding you? The Zorai one was completed in about 2 minutes. This latest event is said to be important and that everyone should attend. When asked how we are suppose to get there when the devs have made it next to impossible to travel through the prime roots, the responce was basically "I'm sure you will find a way".

aelvana wrote:I haven't read the last few pages of this thread, but it's possible, don't worry. We've exped mobs as high as 220 in groups less than that, able to handle single adds as well fighting them. Fearing adds that haven't yet been damaged is a safe way to handle them, and 2 out of the 3 routes that were previously doable have mobs of about 170 at the highest. The last route (zorai --> tryker) has mobs higher than we could safely fear (prime roots), but that PR zone is comparatively very easy and aggro free once you single pull the guards and clear them.

You tell that to 3 of our guild members who spent many hours last night trying to make it.

raynes wrote:You tell that to 3 of our guild members who spent many hours last night trying to make it.

The key word was 3. That was the problem. Read my post to you in the windmeer forum

Good luck.

*puts on his roleplaying hat*

All across the lands of Atys, a messenger from afar arrives to each major city, announcing that a meeting of the guilds is to take place in the far off city of Pyr in the Fyros lands.

The messenger then falls over dead from both lack of blood from being ravaged by gingo's, cutters, and ragus alike.

The towns people hear the words, post up signs so that everyone can see them.

Alas, they are all distraught at the sign of the bloody and mangled body of the messenger.

This is no ordinary meeting, from what anyone can tell, by the looks of it, it is to gather as strong of an army as possible for some sort of bug attack.

(has flashbacks of starship troopers)
(wakes back to roleplay)

A young boy walks up to the gathering crowd in Yrk, and proclaims, they might come in hordes but we shall prevail no matter what the circumstances!

This young boy has lived through one invasion on the Matis lands, and has seen the hordes as they approached and slain every man, woman, and child in every village in the Matis territory, and has a thirst for revenge.

The town mayor approaches the people in Matis, looks around with weary eyes and begins to speak through his cracked voice.

"People of Matis, we must come together and find a way to join this meeting, although the lands have become increasingly difficult to travel, there are a few that have made the trip to Pyr"

"What must now be done, for the sake of all Homin, is that these individuals step forward and travel with the word of the entire Matis race, as one voice, that we are ready, and shall heed the call to battle"

Gazing across the crowd, he can see discontent amongst the people, as shouts of anger spread like fire in the wind.

"How can we fight off such a powerful invasion if we can not speak our minds at the meeting!"

The mayor looks with troubled eyes into the citizens who are angered.

"We will do our best my friends, to find a solution for every citizen, and bring the information to the impending onslaught to you, but, it will be very hard to get everyone to the meeting."

With that, the mayor lowers his head in sadness, and returns to his humble home to contimplate what is to come.

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There will no way to please everyone I am afraid, and I am sure the next meeting will be held in one of the other 4 territories my friends, and this same arguement will be just as strong then as it is now.

Why can't I get to Matis
Why can't I get to Tryker
Why can't I get to Zoria
Why can't I get to Fyros

Those will be the echoing words of anger at each event, I am not saying that it is either right or wrong, I am just saying there are ways to obtain these goals still, people ban together in Ryzom like no other game.

Its just a matter of coordination.