Ryzom

Not so old to remember that, Trini. Pero came to me and urged us to attack Band of Hawks as a tryker duty (hence I suppose AA did help the matis attack). I have never contributed to the thread of how we became kami right because the story starts with such things that are a bit inflamatory.

We were neutrals, not yet decided what religion to take, not liking the idea of religion fanaticism at all (at least me), but realising neutrality was more and more put into mechanical inferiority by Nevrax and a newbie guild had already too much to struggle for survival, not assume more handicaps than the ones Ryzom gives already.

Our contacts with people then became crucial for the choice. Or everything that matis guilds told us (of course not on official position, but people represent their guilds more than they think of) was conditioned. Will you become kara? Then we can give you our Vent, will help you do this and that etc etc.
It's your tryker duty to attack BoH (who were BoH? Why would we attack a tryker guild that we didn't even know it existed? why would we suddenly support a Matis guild when every other day Pero was congratualting us for the good things we're doing for the Lakes community?....)
Attack AG or we take their OP (why attack them? where was the story to connect in the lore about TS suddenly attacking another tryker guild? why put pressure on us...)

Second thing that I (but probably others as well, it was a vote) took into consideration was the chat. There was one guild (and again there are 1,2 individuals but you have to make an opinion after something, cannot make a fair average) that talked bad about most of the others. And the others who never talked bad about the first one... Naturally I'd prefer to be on the side of those who don't talk trash (even if the trash has remains of truth, you know how it works).

Third thing were kami guilds like Twilight Whispers, Merchants of the Void, Atys Paladins: they never offered conditional help. We were neutrals, was natural to have our time to consider what side we'll be in. But we were new on Atys and simply got help in all its forms for nothing but pleasure to know new people.

We have never been interesting for Matis guilds before or after we went kami. No individual tried to come in touch with us. The only one who answered to our invite to present us the Kara lore was Spriteh on our site. While kami people like Nakedeye (who never belived me we are not sure what religion we'll take, he was sure we'll take kara), Rushin, Uma, just to name a few came and spent loads of time talking, showing, crafting, digging.
Our OP in the jungle was shared with us by Emperor's Fist long before we voted for a religion (let alone get the necessary fame). Just because we were friends, and newbies.

Finally most tryker guilds received with calm and friendship our vote result to go kami. But we have never had any contact anymore from any Matis guild for months: obviously we were the enemy.

Coming back to Band of Hawk's desperate attack upon Whirlwing, it was our first pvp (as neutrals) in Ryzom (first camping at portal too, by the way *grin*).
And we decided to help Band of Hawks out of respect for the courage to attack a massive Matis guild with a guild of some 7-8 people (OPs were young - a time when guild attacking or defending still mattered). So, yeah, some of us remember that fight all too well.

arfindel wrote: Will you become kara? Then we can give you our Vent, will help you do this and that etc etc.
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We have never been interesting for Matis guilds before or after we went kami. No individual tried to come in touch with us.

At least they tried to bribe you into their conglomerat. I know of guilds that weren't even offered negotiations about an agreement with the then becoming karavan alliance.

scarazi wrote:then in fact AA`s acton has been the least tryker, dismissing the tryker alliance to join the matis alliance,

We did try to join after cancelling the Band of the Hawks attack. However, we were spat upon by you and your friends. In contrast, the Matis guilds later welcomed us into their alliance with open arms.

scarazi wrote:attacking many tryker guilds, Nexus, Evolution, Band of Hawks, Atys Ghosts. Being the first and ONLY guild every to attack the guild that have given them an outpost.

If you mean declare, AA never declared on Nexus. They upgraded our outpost from a q100 to a q150. It was a generous gesture on their part, made to buy us away from the Karavan alliance, I assume. We spent the next seven months dissuading the KA from attacking Nexus (to regain the outpost that Nexus had taken from OmegaV). However, when Nexus starting attacking KA outposts, we could no longer keep them from being attacked and were forced to choose between Karavan and Kamist sides.

scarazi wrote:Being the first and ONLY guild every to attack the guild that have given them an outpost.

Sorry Atys Ghosts did that first by attacking the Pegasus Foundation, unless you mean declare war, in which case your statement is wrong.

scarazi wrote: Publically boasting about blowing up packers.

Yes, a guildmember did that for a packer that was blocking the stableboy. But we bought Candi a new packer and she became a happy AA member.

i cant even believe you write what you write, are you so obnoctious you see your own histoy as something from a fairytale? my accoun runs out tommrow, due o work and stuff im only able to sub 30% of te time, thats the reason for kiexa account, altough a legimate silas account you feel the need to bring it up, just because i spoke to pero last month and not you diddums


"yes a guidie did that when the packer was blocking the stable boy etc"

you think everyone but you is stupid? your guildie had an updatng sig that stated 8+ packers were murdered by your lot, omg frigging god, i think the politics of atys are interesting but you are just dillusonal

thlau wrote:with the then becoming karavan alliance.

The Karavan Alliance as it now stands has pretty much been around, though some faces have changed, since the begininng of the game. We were all trusted friends in game the day before Outposts entered Atys and made a defense agreement. Those agreements have stood to this day and it's strength has brought in other like minded homins. We had an alliance all along, we had purpose when the game gave it that... before then the sides were set during our RP events as well. The only thing different these days, and we miss them greatly, are the glorious and honorable Kami guilds from that period.

While it is interesting to talk about the history and impact that AA has had on the lakelands, it is temporal, and mostly irrelevant in the scheme of the faction struggle and the future of the Tryker peoples.

The bigger questions should be, why did/do the Kami abandon Jena for Ma-Duk? Why do Trykers and other Homins support a being that wants to take every aspect of Homin free will and kill those who refuse to be assimilated? Why do free thinking Homins fight to protect an alien species that takes every Zoari child and only return them after they have been literally forced to cover their face forever?

Is it just ignorance? Is it a desire to be popular amongst the ignorant? For power? Hate?

There is nothing positive in the teachings of Hoi-cho and the worship of Ma-Duk. They are the frame work of absolute totalitarianism. One being, One mind, One will, One soul. Is it a coincidence that after the almost complete annihilation of our species by the Kitin a "God" arrives and works to transform those of us that survived into some sort of hive like consciousness?

It would be interesting to hear what the Trykers who choose to follow this demon think about these teaching. I would like to hear at least one voice amongst those who follow the Kami refute my claims and tell me how I am misreading the teachings and that plainly Ma-Duk cares for all of us. Instead they choose to point fingers, discuss the fallibility of imperfect followers of the Goddess. A Goddess that created us in her Image, who thinks we as Homins are worthy and do not need to be phyiscally, mentally and spiritually transformed into something else. We are her children and if we meet her half way, that is enough.

Pero

riveit wrote:If you mean declare, AA never declared on Nexus. They upgraded our outpost from a q100 to a q150. It was a generous gesture on their part, made to buy us away from the Karavan alliance, I assume. We spent the next seven months dissuading the KA from attacking Nexus (to regain the outpost that Nexus had taken from OmegaV). However, when Nexus starting attacking KA outposts, we could no longer keep them from being attacked and were forced to choose between Karavan and Kamist sides.

It was a generous gesture on our part because Nexus as a guild counted AA as one of our best friends, no hidden meaning in it whatsoever, so don't even think about pulling that one on us. This happened a while before the Tryker lands got bogged down in the faction battles. You chose your side as a KA guild long before you say, most probably because you were scared of rejection from all karavan if you didn't go the whole way. It's very sad, but very true.

Kodel.

bf649ztp wrote:You chose your side as a KA guild long before you say ...

I was referring to the first six weeks or so after outposts popped. I am bowing out of this thread. If you want to discuss past events and guild relations, feel free to contact me.

danolt wrote:While it is interesting to talk about the history and impact that AA has had on the lakelands, it is temporal, and mostly irrelevant in the scheme of the faction struggle and the future of the Tryker peoples.

The bigger questions should be, why did/do the Kami abandon Jena for Ma-Duk? Why do Trykers and other Homins support a being that wants to take every aspect of Homin free will and kill those who refuse to be assimilated? Why do free thinking Homins fight to protect an alien species that takes every Zoari child and only return them after they have been literally forced to cover their face forever?

Is it just ignorance? Is it a desire to be popular amongst the ignorant? For power? Hate?

There is nothing positive in the teachings of Hoi-cho and the worship of Ma-Duk. They are the frame work of absolute totalitarianism. One being, One mind, One will, One soul. Is it a coincidence that after the almost complete annihilation of our species by the Kitin a "God" arrives and works to transform those of us that survived into some sort of hive like consciousness?

It would be interesting to hear what the Trykers who choose to follow this demon think about these teaching. I would like to hear at least one voice amongst those who follow the Kami refute my claims and tell me how I am misreading the teachings and that plainly Ma-Duk cares for all of us. Instead they choose to point fingers, discuss the fallibility of imperfect followers of the Goddess. A Goddess that created us in her Image, who thinks we as Homins are worthy and do not need to be phyiscally, mentally and spiritually transformed into something else. We are her children and if we meet her half way, that is enough.

Pero

I am a Zorai, and i assure you neither I nor any of those whom i was with were forced in any way what so ever.

Take away homing free will? - you mean we choose to follow laws that say we should look after our home? preserve and maintain ballance? - not a destruction of free will, not as you would have those who are not truly enlightened belive.

you claim to know, and state such things as fact, you speak to anyone whom comes accross your words as if you are truly right, and that it IS the truth. Is that not one minded? Totalitairian infact?

Power? The kami do not teach of, nor seek such a thing. Clearly it is the kamis way to seek balance , power as u describe has no place in that.

hate? we do not hate. yet the agressiveness of your claims shows much...


the half way house of the Karavan.. you said it yourself, Jena, mediocrity is all u need. My personal view on the Karavan is such:

An organisation, aimed at gathering as many numbers as possable. Promises of paradise, and eternal life for nothing in return.. "come join the karavan, do nothing and be happy!!"

such things are very enticing.. but what truly, is the cost???

xtarsia wrote:An organisation, aimed at gathering as many numbers as possable. Promises of paradise, and eternal life for nothing in return.. "come join the karavan, do nothing and be happy!!

a misconception, the karavan work hard for their gains, many do not retire to their hammocks in fairhaven when their lands are under threat. Many wait for attacks that may or may not come, many spend time making sure their brothers and sisters do not want. You greatly underestimate the work that we do.