Understanding each other calmly (Neutrals, Kami, Karavan)

[tr808]

Again i was hoping for some more background on things, why would some1 be a Neutral.... but what i see? The same ego's spammin another topic

[flume641]

A handful of NPC's have died. No player has ever died. No NPC has ever died at a players hand. I don't think an NPC has ever died from a weapon type that could have been crafted by a player (not real sure on this).

This lack of permanent physical damage during OP fights and EP2 is a major issue. If characters could be 'killed" my roleplay stance would change immediately. I also doubt I would be doing as much hunting if every time I went to 0 hp there was a chance of perma-death. Forage chatting would drop off a lot as well.

If it is your characters belief that Homins run a risk of dying with every respawn do you have some sort of buddy system to keep all your guildies from getting killed while they are hunting? Shouldn't you care more about the Kitin which have actually caused Perma-death in the lore as opposed to PvP actions where no one has died?

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There are two major Powers on Atys. They have all the power. The Melanesians did not have a fair shot at beating/competing for regional dominance with the Japanese or Americans during WWII. That is basically how Homins are in relations with the Kami/Karavan.

If someone can not choose between these two groups, I don't think they can choose between anything. There is not a lot of middle ground.

I'd like to know why people think that a game that was advertised at launch as a two faction based game should change so that both factions become irrelevant?

Pero

I agree with your view, but if we as players would get a permanent death, atleast me, would leave the game, i dont want to level myself all up again, after useing weeks to come there.

[grimjim]

Again i was hoping for some more background on things, why would some1 be a Neutral.... but what i see? The same ego's spammin another topic

Scroll back to the start.
The problem is people start taking issue with people's statements of reason, and then you get the back and forth.

Plus my last post expanded on it too in answer to part of Pero's post.

[dakhound]

Again i was hoping for some more background on things, why would some1 be a Neutral.... but what i see? The same ego's spammin another topic

oh look someone with something on-topic and constructive to say.

maybe not eh!

[jamela]

Nice try, Moy

Five pages into the thread and you have four answers so far? Only two of which were from neutrals anyway, but then the thread title is very much broader than your opening post.

My two pence (okay maybe a bit more than two pence ) :

Jamela came to Verdant Heights to find new hope and rebuild a civilization. She found there a king who by all accounts embodied that purpose; he had united matis and tryker with Still Wyler's support, fostered good relations with the zoraï nation and prohibited the persecution of kamists in his domain. King Yrkanis followed Jena, and Jamela saw that he was a leader setting a great example of tolerance, acceptance and understanding. [It's a shame that he wasn't a bit more active and that the story didn't drive forward more, but we can't change the past.]

Then rumours spread that Jena was coming, with a force of Karavan to take battle to the Kami (not the Kamists, note), and when the Karavan verified the rumour Jamela was swept up with the excitement, thinking momentous things were about to happen and she might be involved. She had long wanted to have the strength to fight the sinister Kami, whose motives she did not understand but found frightening, and who whined all day long about goo yet did nothing. Jamela couldn't fail to notice also, however, her king's shoulders sag as he watched his people rally to join the Karavan against the Kami, and so inescapably against their followers, her friends.

So the Temple Wars began, and Jamela saw that the Karavan, and the Kami, took no part, only goading the homins on to fight with each other. Jena did not turn up. The Karavan did not take the fight to the Kami. Homin was killed by homin, by kitin, by Kami and by Karavan all, and yet at times most were still able to laugh and joke and work side by side, helping each other's cause to provide resources for the monuments the K's wanted to erect.

Temples and Sanctuaries were duly erected and Jamela looked to the Temple of Light, sure that some enlightenment must be forthcoming, the better to spread the light of Jena and to build a stronger, wiser community. She found a monument with the revered commandments of Jena emblazoned on its surface, ... and a way to recognize and hurt, not to heal, those homins who followed the Kami. Many of Jamela's friends had taken up with the Karavan, and she followed, but she was now very suspicious of the Karavan and it did not sit well with her. Still Jena did not come, and still the Karavan did nothing, and the Kami did nothing. And in time she noticed that many friends had vanished, many had changed and some treated her differently than before, and she remembered the sagging shoulders of her King.

So before long Jamela returned to the Temple and told the Karavan to shove it, and felt great ever since

[slay13]

I think before "neutrality" is ever introduced fully into the game as a faction we should first address something that has been on everyones minds for a much longer time. There has been a 4th faction that has been long neglected and i've stood by silent for too long! No longer will i sit idle by my computer as the "Giant Japanese Fighting Kids in Battle Robots Faction!!!" is neglected any further in Ryzom!!

Myself and other Giant Japanese Fighting Kids in Battle Robots (furthermore refered to as "Giant JFK-robo" for typings sake) enthusiasts have been neglected FAR more than any other faction, even moreso than the red-headed stepchild "neutral" faction who are often heard decry'ing ryzoms support for them.

No tp's in the Prime roots you say? Well at least you can USE TP's....TP's for transporting my Giant JFK-robo through a teleport ANYWHERE runs upward of 200k (they charge by the pound apparently). I find myself often having to wait patiently as Beefy has to hoof it from pyr to prime roots with his Giant JFK-robo in tow, and don't even GET me started on the price of gas for those things!

You thought your MEKTOUB took a lot to upkeep?!? They eat far less grass in a year than my Giant JFK-Robo guzzles gas in one outing!! Not to mention i'm now forced to actually PAY my small japanese child to PILOT the thing now!! (thank you labor laws =P)

If these problems aren't fixed PRONTO...your out one subscriber Gameforge. You just can't keep my attention anymore with the oncoming wave of Gundam MMORPG's that i'm sure will be sprouting up in 2007!


p.s. please add Magenta as a color option for all Giant JFK-Robo's in the next patch please, i've been wanting to add a little 'zest' to my JFK-Robo experience for some time, and i feel this will be just what I need, thanks ahead of time gameforge!! XOXO

[jennaelf]

I'm absolutely skipping reading over the thread, and offering you my own answer. I hope that's alright.

So I d like you Neutrals to explain to me why you decided to stay Neutral ;
- What does it add to your RP stance ?
- How come you feel like you can only go this way ?
- Had the lore have any impact on your decision ?

Jeziellia is neutral for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, she has trouble with the idea of killing a homin over ideas. Actions are different. A homin draws a blade against her or those she cares for, and she's there. But she isn't going to kill in the name of the Karavan. (The Kami creep her out due to the instilled prejudices of her people and the fact that she saw their TEETH! ...yeah.) Jeziellia is a Jenite. She does believe in the Goddess Jena and the teachings related. Her main trouble with the Karavan is promoting Homin-on-Homin violence.

Could I "only" go this way? No. Though, I could be misunderstanding your question. If I actively RP'd other characters, I could play a Karavaneer or a Kamist with the same depth and dedication.

The lore very much had an impact. What first instilled doubts about the Karavan in Jeziellia were the Kami purges in the Matisian kingdom. Again, that inherent discomfort with the idea of killing another homin over ideas.

She has a tendency to lean toward supporting the Karavan because they believe in gathering knowledge, whereas the Kami did not present her with that impression on Silan.

I am NOT basing any of this on interactions with characters. Jeziellia has devout Karavaneer, and devout Kamist friends. Dear friends.

OOC? Who cares what I think OOC. I don't play myself in the game. *winks*

So there you go. She isn't Karavan because she isn't willing to follow their orders and edicts, and doesn't generally enjoy violence against other homins. And she isn't Kami because she has an instilled predisposition to be uncomfortable with them. With a few exceptions, her experiences with the Kami have been neutral at best (ha, no, not meant to be a pun), and rather upsetting at worst. One of the first Kamists she met in character made her cry more than once.

Was there something else you were looking for?

As to game mechanics - I don't mind not getting high level TPs (okay, so it might be nice to be able to get up after that long walk to the Grove of Confusion...). I accept that I just have to move my little Matis booty a little faster and wiser and be more careful. ...that actually applies to political IC stances too. You can't piss off the Karavan and the Kami and hope to get anywhere.

[grimjim]

She has a tendency to lean toward supporting the Karavan because they believe in gathering knowledge, whereas the Kami did not present her with that impression on Silan.

Just a quick point. That's actually opposite to the lore. The Karavan very much are about restricting homin knowledge - it seems. Stopping them exploring the roots, not sharing their technology. That's part of the reason the Tryker are more moderate than out-and-out Jenite (too curious and like to fiddle with things) and why the Fyros race decided to go Kami (The Kami didn't care about them investigating things and experimenting).

[jennaelf]

Just a quick point. That's actually opposite to the lore. The Karavan very much are about restricting homin knowledge - it seems.

I didn't say anything opposite of the lore. Yes, they are about limiting Homin knowledge, but a clever homin knows how to pay attention. Plus, it is part of the lore that the Matis civilization more or less is buddy-buddy with the Karavan in hopes that they will one day share this knowledge.

Whether they share it or not, they do gather it, or appear to, and that was my indication and point there.

[grimjim]

I didn't say anything opposite of the lore. Yes, they are about limiting Homin knowledge, but a clever homin knows how to pay attention. Plus, it is part of the lore that the Matis civilization more or less is buddy-buddy with the Karavan in hopes that they will one day share this knowledge.

Whether they share it or not, they do gather it, or appear to, and that was my indication and point there.

That I can go along with, but not 'they believe in gathering knowledge' per se