Wishes

[grimjim]

Who told you humans were not self-contradictory? Look at you, a neutral playing a pvp game.

What PVP game?
Where?
Is it hiding behind Ryzom?

[sofiaoak]

What he is saying is the game is about the Kami vs. Karavan conflict, if you can't deal with that, then yes, find another game.

This is half correct, as Kami vs. Karavan conflict is all about PvP. This would same as saying that, this game is ALL about PvP, but that is not true.

Maybe you can answer this for me. You say that you don't want to be a part of PvP conflict, ok. So what is stopping you from doing missions for the Kami or Karavan and not telling anyone? Why don't you simply use the teleports as if they don't belong to anyone? No one except the devs knows your fame levels, so you can act as if they don't even exist. Don't turn on your pvp tag and no one ever knows.

Sure, I could easyly do missions and be Karavan or Kami and never PVP, but why I should? I'm not PvPer, so why I should I have to do something what is build ONLY for PvP reason?

I have notting agaist PvP, it is big part of this game and can be fun for those who likes it. Problem is why I as PvE player has to suffer it all the time. What is so big deal that we PvE players (neutrals) can't have access to all +200 lvl zones? Harversting and many crafting skills does need access to PR materials. Why do I have to walk there?

[alphacen]

"So if it's about freedom why contradict yourself and support the forcing and marginalisation of neutrals?"

False, this is all but contradictory,

Don't you have the possibility to stay neutral or not, who decide your alignment's: does a game mechanics automatically set your alignment or is it made through your own decisions and actions? Nope, you've actually freely chosen to be Neutral..

If someone is currently FORCED into an alignment this is me, the noob since I cannot get the necessary fame points from Silan. Trust me, I would have picked a side long ago.. if I had this opportunity.

To top it off, unlike the other game, don't we even have the choice to drop our current allegiance to pick up another one.. at any given time?


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Sofia,

Since you seem unwilling to offer a balance and would like the Neutral to access to everything the game has to offer with no repercussions at all.. then allow me to return the favor as a pvper, hehe.

I have notting agaist PvE, it is big part of this game and can be fun for those who likes it. Problem is why I as PvP player has to suffer it all the time. What is so big deal that we PvP players (factions) can't have access to all Players? Kami and Kara do have to struggle full time once in there. Why do I have to tolerate the Neutrals?

[apziro]

This is a self-contradictory statement.

No it's not.

A dynamic world is one that changes as a result of what happens in it. That does not mean that those present in the world do not have to respond to the events taking place there.

Just take a look at the real world for an obvious example.

[grimjim]

No it's not.

A dynamic world is one that changes as a result of what happens in it. That does not mean that those present in the world do not have to respond to the events taking place there.

Just take a look at the real world for an obvious example.

Enforcement by deus ex machina does not a dynamic world make.
Imposing story is not dynamism.
Marginalising people is not dynamism.

[apziro]

This is half correct, as Kami vs. Karavan conflict is all about PvP. This would same as saying that, this game is ALL about PvP, but that is not true.


Sure, I could easyly do missions and be Karavan or Kami and never PVP, but why I should? I'm not PvPer, so why I should I have to do something what is build ONLY for PvP reason?

I have notting agaist PvP, it is big part of this game and can be fun for those who likes it. Problem is why I as PvE player has to suffer it all the time. What is so big deal that we PvE players (neutrals) can't have access to all +200 lvl zones? Harversting and many crafting skills does need access to PR materials. Why do I have to walk there?

Well, you are assuming things that you are proving wrong yourself, now that self contradictions are being pointed out so heavily.

Karavan vs Kami is not build only for PvP reasons. It's also build for these reasons:
A background story to add depth to the universe.
An option to choose between two factions, where you can earn rewards and alignment through PvE actions alone.
Added purpose in your PvE actions, as you complete mission to increase your standing with one over the other.
Earning special rewards, such as teleportation to attractive locations.

You need to right away get settled with the fact that putting PvE = neutral is just plain wrong.

[apziro]

Enforcement by deus ex machina does not a dynamic world make.
Imposing story is not dynamism.
Marginalising people is not dynamism.

No. But it's also not something contradicting dynamism.

[sofiaoak]

I have notting agaist PvE, it is big part of this game and can be fun for those who likes it. Problem is why I as PvP player has to suffer it all the time. What is so big deal that we PvP players (factions) can't have access to all Players? Kami and Kara do have to struggle full time once in there. Why do I have to tolerate the Neutrals?

Basicly You are saying Ryzom is PvP game, if You don't PvP, find other game.

While I'm saying, I'm fine with You PvP here as much You like, just allow me to PvE too as well.

If You don't see any different there, then there is no really point to talk about it.

[sofiaoak]

You need to right away get settled with the fact that putting PvE = neutral is just plain wrong.

You are right that PvE is not just neutral. Actually most PvE players aren't neutral. Ask any PvE player, why they are not neutral. I'm pretty sure the answer will be teleports.

[alphacen]

Why do you chose to keep only a part of my explanation? This was a joke to make you understand what your "full pve" request means, once turned the other way.Obviously the point has been made since you don't seem to agree with it.


My main disagreement with you is that you want something without any repercussion, you want something that will break the current lore and balance.

But anyway, with the recent "Important Information" that just come up.. I think that many things are about to change and I'm not sure you and I will like them. :/