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grimjim wrote:Don't pretend as though you lot are any better.

As if moral declairations from mercenaries carry any weight at all .
But especially from you, Jyudas, it is particularly laughable.

You don’t know what you believe in, other than the drink on the bar in front of you.
You aren’t even a convincing soldier for hire, preaching peace, pretending to neutrality, but still consistently accepting very large sacks of dapper to fight for Ma-Duk’s Death Cult.

That you can look at the side supporting Raynes’ blood orgy, and look at those of us who are trying to protect hominkind from such depravity; and not be able to choose between the two is the mark of a mal-formed mind.

Here’s some dapper; go back to drinking and let those who care about a peaceful Atys get to it.

In character:

mrshad wrote:And we are all expected to bow down to Lord Raynes, Voice of Ma-Duk!
Who are you to decipher how things were, and even more incredibly, how things will be?

Bah! This is typical Karavaneer grandstanding. Raynes is much more than a "crazed murderer." His actions are righteously justified and he is one of the most devout Kamists. He is not some simple sycophant, but a homin of action who practices what he preaches.

As for the "true nature of Ma-Duk"... I don't know what you were expecting, but surely you weren't expecting the Kami to sit idly by while the Karavan squander our resources and steal this dream of a new civilization away just as we are about to touch it.

"To those who break their laws, the Kamis promise vengance."

Bay on little gingo, bay on.

mrshad wrote:As if moral declairations carry any weight at all from mercenaries.
But especially from you, Jyudas, it is particularly laughable.
You don’t know what you believe, other than the drink on the bar in front of you.
You aren’t even a convincing soldier for hire, preaching peace, pretending to neutrality, but still consistently accepting very large sacks of dapper to fight for Ma-Duk’s Death Cult.
That you can look at the side supporting Raynes’ blood orgy, and look at those of us who are trying to protect hominkind from such depravity; and not be able to choose between the two is the mark of a mal-formed mind.
Here’s some dapper; go back to drinking and let those who care about a peaceful Atys get to it.

Consider this then...
*Jyudas picks up the dapper*
This is a dapper, basically crystalised sap. We can infuse it with our personal sap to make crystals that power our enchantments, we can use it to crystalise spells, learned from the kami, that we can place into our weapons and channel through them. It is the very life blood of Atys, and ourselves.

Dapper doesn't make any special demands on me. It doesn't tell me what I can and can't do, who my friends can be, whether I can explore the deep roots or not. It doesn't hide behind an impenetrable mask, it doesn't pollute our home with its foul smokes and strange lights. It doesn't demand I kill its enemies, it doesn't masquerade as a god to take advantage of our naive simplemindedness.

Kami and Karavan alike both desire it, crave it, are in its power, as our the homin peoples.

It can buy friends, companionship, love. It can provide booze to drown one's sorrows, a roof over one's head and it asks for nothing in return.

With it I can perform magic. I can make things invisible to guards and excisemen. I can turn it into a house, a guildhall, mektoubs, weapons, armour, materials, food, anything I might desire.

With enough dapper I could topple the Emperor, depose the king, control the federation or break the faith of the Zorai.

Dapper doesn't judge me, it doesn't say what my morals should be. It lets me choose them myself. It enables me to act upon those morals as I see fit. It has let me bring my father up from the refugee camps, it has helped establish our camp in reclaiming the old lands, in creating a new nation away from all this... bodoc dung going on here, in the new lands.

It has lead to me being a force of balance in these lands, the desperate Kami willing to pay for a strong sword arm to help fend off the advances of the imperialist Matis who, in their arrogance, mostly refuse to pay.

Who are you, any of you, to speak to me of morals? The Kami with their random killings, their terrible hypocracy. The Karavan with their goo experiments, their rape of the planet, their secrets and their slavery.

I might kill, for dapper, for something material and real that I can put to good use helping my friends, my family and others. You? You kill for nothing, for an idea with no more substance than a gust of wind.

You kill for AN IDEA. Even the animals are better than that.

grimjim wrote: You kill for AN IDEA. Even the animals are better than that.

See this is where you are very misguided. I follow the Kami because they are the protectors of Atys. I do not simply beleive they are the protectors of Atys, I have seen proof of this. What proof you ask? When a group of homins takes too many resources they appear and stop them. It does not matter if you follow them, the Karavan, or no one at all. If your group takes so much of the resources of Atys, they will stop you. As they have the ability to know the instant a homin takes too much, they must be tied to Atys. There simply is no other explaination. Therefore I beleive them when they say who they are and why they are here.

I also beleive Atys must be protected at all costs. As the Kami know more of the planet I trust in their guidance led by the great Ma-Duk. Their message is clear, the stealing of resources for the Karavan is a wrong. It is wrong becuase the Karavan seek to take the resources and not replace them. They have no concern if Atys looses all of it's valuable materials. They will simply steal all it has to offer and go back where they came from. They do not live here, therefore they do no care what happens.

So I do not kill for an idea. I kill to keep Atys in her natural state. I kill to prevent my jungle home from turning into a wasteland due to over harvesting.

Your moral code is built around greed and dapper. My moral code is built around the preservation of the enviroment. I'd say you were the one who is misguided, not me.

grimjim wrote: It can buy friends, companionship, love. It can provide booze to drown one's sorrows, a roof over one's head and it asks for nothing in return.

With it I can perform magic. I can make things invisible to guards and excisemen. I can turn it into a house, a guildhall, mektoubs, weapons, armour, materials, food, anything I might desire.

With enough dapper I could topple the Emperor, depose the king, control the federation or break the faith of the Zorai.

Spoken like the true outlaw you are! You are no friend of any race!

You think you have the power to buy and own anything, you are wrong. You could not break the faith of the true Zorai as money means nothing to us. You certainly can not buy the true Kami Loyalist as they will laugh in your face.

raynes wrote:See this is where you are very misguided. I follow the Kami because they are the protectors of Atys.

Once I believed that, but not since the temples. Now I see them for the hypocrits they truly are. I wonder if their drills are really as kind and gentle as they would seem. We had both kinds at our outpost, Kami and Karavan ones worked the same way, only the nature of the materials was different, they both bored into mother Aty's shell.

You don't have proof, you're sold on a lie. It seems more to me that they just want the resources for themselves. Both false gods are as bad as each other.

Atys must certainly be protected, but I trust the Kami to do so about as far as I can comfortably spit a Madakam.

If they truly believe the Karavan are wrong, why not annihilate them all the same way they do diggers that annoy them? Surely as the 'true gods' from your point of view they can accomplish that? No?

You kill for an idea, the idea that these Kami false gods are in any way telling you the truth, that their goal is just and one that they genuinely follow and that the Karavan are genuinely evil.

My moral code is based around freedom and self determination, not the diktats of frauds.

raynes wrote:You think you have the power to buy and own anything, you are wrong. You could not break the faith of the true Zorai as money means nothing to us. You certainly can not buy the true Kami Loyalist as they will laugh in your face.

Everyone has their price, it might not be dapper directly, but dapper can get it.

raynes wrote: What proof you ask? When a group of homins takes too many resources they appear and stop them.

Only if it suits them. There are times when they have decided not to worry about the possibility of destroying Atys, our home.

When the gods demanded temples, we dug the raw materials needed to create them. The Kami decided that the temples were more important than their own rules, their own guides, and their own beliefs about how the resources of Atys should be managed.

They allowed every Homin to dig and exploit the old lands, instead of making sure that the future of Atys herself is assured.

They are not infallible beings from beyond, they are not gods. Ma-Duk is a hypocrite, and so is any Kami follower who believes that they help protect our land from over enthused diggers.

I believe in the Kami principles at heart. We should protect our world, we should keep the land in balance. But I can not agree with their practices, because their practices do not follow their ideals.

grimjim wrote: My moral code is based around freedom and self determination, not the diktats of frauds.

Please...your "moral code" is based around killing homins to feed your own excesses.
You say dapper does not judge, and it is well for you that it does not.
What sentient creature could stand to be in the presence of such a thoughtless hedonist?

raynes wrote: Spoken like the true outlaw you are! You are no friend of any race!

HA! As if you have room to yelp!
That you would balk at bribery when blood stains your hands so deeply it they can never be washed clean.
You would kill any member of any race so long as you can justify it as being "Ma-Duk's will". And isn't it funny how Ma-Duk's will and your desire to kill homins are so often the very same thing?

If I were a member of the defenseless and unsuspecting tribes you so frequently slaughter, Raynes, I would prefer to take my chances with the merc. At least that way, the lives of me and my children might be paid for with dapper. Even the wild cuttler are preferable to your insane rage. The cuttler will eventually get full and wander away.

But you, Raynes, and those like you...you are the true threat to hominkind on Atys. There are not enough lives in the world to satisfy your need to cause suffering. It seems like you feed on the death of those to week to protect themselves from you. You are the incarnate darkness that exists in the mind of every Kamist. You are a sample the unholy blood reign that Ma-Duk is waiting to unleash upon our world if only Jena were not there to oppose him.

You, and those that praise you, are the reason decent homin must be ever ready to defend themselves, their families and the lands they hold dear.

Apparently, many of you have failed to notice that Atys is growing. Eventually the land which we are standing on will be covered by the expanding planet. The vines will interweave above us and block out the suns light.

Resources are not limited, they are growing! We will not stop the vines from climbing with a handful of drills and a few hundred homins armed with picks.

The fields by our capital cities are no less rich in resources then when the first of the refugees begun to arrive. What resources are declining?

We have barely begun to reclaim the civilizations of our great grandfathers. We are still trying to scratch out enough resources to become self sufficient; and yet, there are those who would use violence to prevent our advancement in the name of morality. What is immoral about preparing to defend our families from the Kitin? What is immoral about wanting to advance our culture, our standard of living, our safety. How can someone value handfuls of amber over Homins?

We are the masters of Atys, not the Kami, not the Karavan. We are made in the image of Jena's spirit, a glimmer of Her love. She has given us the power to create, foster, and love life. She has given us free will and the power to affect our own destiny.

The deceiver opposes these principles. He works to enslave our souls. He will not allow choice, individuality or even neutrality. This war is only beginning.

Ma-Duk is growing strong if he can convince followers that Homins need no more resources. That our cultures are advanced enough. That those who wish to rebuild must be destroyed. The Kami must be stopped or we all will perish.

Pero