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grimjim wrote:Pragmatism? Why would you waste resources and time if they're unnecessary?

Are you honestly arguing a government should only follow its constitution when it is convenient? I suppose then that you have no problem with patrons refusing to pay you for you services because it would it would be a "waste of resources and unnecessary."

There is nothing about being pragmatic in our constitution. If the government is not constrained by the law and the Governors can decide on a whim which parts of the constitution are valid, there is no law. That is called rulership. It is disguised with pretty names in order to fool the apathetic.

Does anyone know who their assemblyman is? Anyone?

Pero

grimjim wrote:Whatever the Kami or the Karavan really are they're hypocritical and dangerous, in the long run, to homin. This 'choice' of yours is the choice between being shot, or stabbed.

I realize that you believe there is no higher power then yourself. That you think Atys grows as your own personal playground. Your motivations are dappers and violence that is why you are obsessed with factions and outposts. There is more to life here on Atys, alot more.

Out of idle curiosity can you actually state why the Kami and Karavan are "hypocritical and dangerous" as opposed to abandoning all homin history and following the path of the self righteous glory and dapper hounds?

Pero

As this thread was started by you Pero I will not comment on the distraction to the theme that you and Mr Pedagogue-Curmugeon are taking this.

This is a vital issue to all Trykers and to our society and government. The views of non trykers are not a concern here.

As a citizen I want to know just who represents me, why the laws have been and are continuing to be ignored and what is going to be done about it. Our Constitution mandates an election?

so, I am directing these questions to the government that is suppose to represent me, a citizen of this land:
Are you informing me I no longer have a say in this government? That the vote I had cast for governorship was the end of my participation in the electoral process? That Constitutional laws are suspended or neglected because...? There was a coup I was not made aware of? That the laws of our society have been tossed aside for Military Rule because of some supposed threat from some un-named foe? That the Power is to 'precious' and can't be shared with the illiterate proletariates?

I am appalled and ashamed by the response given us by those elected officials. The duties of the constitution are laid out in plain easy to understand words yet they are ignored. To be told We know better and We know what is good for you is an insult to me, the tryker people and to our Constitution. Rhetoric is not enough to satisfy this tryker.

Beware the military-royal complex! Facisitic States are not Free States!

madirrah wrote:I am appalled and ashamed by the response given us by those elected officials. The duties of the constitution are laid out in plain easy to understand words yet they are ignored. To be told We know better and We know what is good for you is an insult to me, the tryker people and to our Constitution. Rhetoric is not enough to satisfy this tryker.

Beware the military-royal complex! Facisitic States are not Free States!

If I'm reading it right there was an election but, since there were no challengers from the eligable citzenry for the council already serving previously under Stil Wyler there was no need to call for a general vote. What purpose would such an election have served in this instance other than wasting everyone's time?

danolt wrote:Out of idle curiosity can you actually state why the Kami and Karavan are "hypocritical and dangerous" as opposed to abandoning all homin history and following the path of the self righteous glory and dapper hounds?

Other things were worshippsed before those two things. The Great Spirit of Atys for example. We found a tribe still trying to cling to those old beliefs in our explorations of the old lands recently. So your claim of 'all homin history' is fallacious.

Wealth and glory is our motto, indeed, and these things may be looked down upon by holy and genocidal maniacs but they're honest and open.

The Karavan? They hide behind masks, they fail to share their technology, they bar homin from the deeper roots, perhaps fearing what we might find there. One finds them in the strangest places demanding the strangest tasks and their technology interferes with the planet. They also back up both the goo tribes and the slavers with their powers, whatever the excuses, these are not good things.

The Kami? Much is made of their harming diggers, but those diggers threaten us all when they over dig. Still, it seems harsh when they could just whisk the digger away to some remote part of Atys as punishment instead. Just like the Karavan they demand the strangest things and their hypocrisy was thrown into sharp relief during the war of the temples.

Even Tryton has let us down, he had nothing worthwhile to say during the temple war and only encouraged us to keep the balance, something we try to do I suppose but then he waltzed off into the roots with vague promises, apparently never to return.

All a homin can rely on and trust is themselves and those who have proven worthy of that trust. In the case of the Tryker it seems that the eligable citizens decided to trust the incumbent politicians. Unless any of you lot can stand and want to upset the applecart I'd say that's a pretty good indication of trust for Wyler's legacy, weak though it became in the end.

There is a thing called 'accountability'. I guess thats something some of you cannot understand. Appointment is NOT an election. I don't care if the office is contested by One or a hundred and one.
And simple vote of no confidence in that deleagte or in the entire administration will make a statement that should be addressed.

Article 17 states that the General Assembly can divest the power of the Governor(s) with a vote. Is there some fear of a freely elected Assembly?

Again I direct this issue to our governing body and to the other tryker citizens.

If you are neither, you are obviously not a concerned party to this, just an irritant.

madirrah wrote:If you are neither, you are obviously not a concerned party to this, just an irritant.

Or a concerned citizen of Atys as a whole. The Tryker experiment is an important one.

grimjim wrote:If I'm reading it right there was an election but, since there were no challengers from the eligable citzenry for the council already serving previously under Stil Wyler there was no need to call for a general vote. What purpose would such an election have served in this instance other than wasting everyone's time?

Can you name one? Can you name a person they asked? I can not, nor can anyone I have asked. Was anyone outside of the ruling class told? I am actually stunned that you feel that information does not to be shared outside of a select handful of people.

Are you saying that if I were Governor, you would not raise a question if I failed to hold elections? I could just tell you, 'don't worry all the faceless and nameless elected officials ran unopposed from a group of faceless and nameless people.'

Pero

danolt wrote:Can you name one? Can you name a person they asked? I can not, nor can anyone I have asked. Was anyone outside of the ruling class told? I am actually stunned that you feel that information does not to be shared outside of a select handful of people.

Are you saying that if I were Governor, you would not raise a question if I failed to hold elections? I could just tell you, 'don't worry all the faceless and nameless elected officials ran unopposed from a group of faceless and nameless people.'

Read your constitution. I don't think any of us who have settled since 2525 would have the opportunity to stand. We have only just recently been given the capacity to become citizens of our nations in good standing and the requirement to stand is that you be a citizen for several years before you can.

So, why would they ask you or any other of the new generation settlers if they wanted to stand? It seems that nobody stepped forward from the pool of potential candidates, them preferring to keep Wyler's legacy going. I think you need to campaign for a change to the constitution first before having an actual beef.

The qualifications requirements for an election cannot be met [highlight]if there is no election[/highlight]. We are assuming an assembly exists. We are we assuming a High Council exists. We are assuming an election committee was formed. The only thing we know is that close to 4 cycles past the drop dead date for the constitutional mandated election, there have been no elections. There have been no updates, no rosters, no announcements, no justifications. Only when they were questioned did our governors even broach the subject.

I have not been asking to run. I have been asking to vote.

I ask again when will New Trykoth have a constitutional government?

Pero