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rothimar wrote:It's too bad Outposts weren't introduced as more of a GvG feature, leaving the faction politics out of it.

they were

rushin wrote:they were

Well, that depends who you ask :/

rushin wrote:they were

Oh, I'm sure they were. It just seems that it's more a FvF rather than GvG deal, at least based on the way the whole thing is presented.

For example... if Covenant wanted to hold an outpost in the Matisian forests, we'd have to take on the whole Karavan Alliance to do it, as it seems, and of course suffer the bouts of "OMG OMG A matis attacked a matis OP... OMG OMG OMG".

That's the impression I'm left with, anyway.

grimjim wrote:Oh dear me NO! You're not _allowed_ to point out inconvenient truths that support my arguments and observations! You'll be crucified! Pilloried! You're stereotyping! There's nothing to see here, there isn't a US timezone bulge in Karavan numbers, the computer is your friend, happiness is mandatory, stay alert, trust no-one, keep your laser handy...

There is a bulge in the current status of players. There was once a counter called Infinity... and anyone who was in the old lands when we were there will tell you the Karas had a hell of a night in for them. I honestly never saw this Kara NA dominance. If we were in the old lands in an evening, it was Kami dominated

TBH the biggest difference in numbers durring EP2 was at about 2-4 AM EST durring that time Kara were pretty dominant not so much so 4-6 am(EST) but still ahead then 6am-3pm it was usually somewhat quiet (alternating who was winning back and forwards)and at three it seemed more Kara but not by much(dependant on day)... But when my mom was playing after 5PM est Kami seemed to rule full time then rinse and repeat Just what I noticed... sometimes was a bit different. (and yes I played ALOT back then )

rothimar wrote:Oh, I'm sure they were. It just seems that it's more a FvF rather than GvG deal, at least based on the way the whole thing is presented.

For example... if Covenant wanted to hold an outpost in the Matisian forests, we'd have to take on the whole Karavan Alliance to do it, as it seems, and of course suffer the bouts of "OMG OMG A matis attacked a matis OP... OMG OMG OMG".

That's the impression I'm left with, anyway.

You listen to too much of what certain folks post here and disregard the gameplay. If everyone claiming to be a part of the "KA" went neutral (like it seems the Kami are currently doing) we'd all be neutral and have similar divisions. It's the people, players, friends and allies opposing each other on the battlefield. Our guild (like every other guild in SoR) has allies, some factioned and others not... take away the faction and I for one would be standing beside the same legions wherever I am needed.

The factions are there because they were supposed to be an important part of the game and storyline. Whether thru financial problems or lack of determination that part of the game has foundered. EP2 had us all tag up and pick sides... then the game kind of let the faction side mean less.

The current state of the game factionwise is pretty sad yet we cling to it hoping or more than the few TP's we get from making a faction choice. Our guild is aligned with mostly Karavan guilds admittedly, but we are more aligned with the people that make up them guilds as they are the type of folks we want to play and have fun with.

It's guild vs. guild with each bringing their allies... faction may have brought us together but since faction can and has attacked faction, these cannot be called factions wars. Every battle is Attackers vs. Defenders, regardless of how the forum patrols try to tell you things are happening IG.

vguerin wrote:You listen to too much of what certain folks post here and disregard the gameplay.

I'm not sure how off the mark my remark was... I do seem to remember someone posting a thread about the very scenario I described in much the same manner.

It's not important though... I don't want to start one of "those" dreaded conversations that seem to come up when faction gets involved.

rothimar wrote:I'm not sure how off the mark my remark was... I do seem to remember someone posting a thread about the very scenario I described in much the same manner.

It's not important though... I don't want to start one of "those" dreaded conversations that seem to come up when faction gets involved.

The thing to remember when you are in these conversations is that there are some very outspoken representatives from both sides of the factional war. DT is known as one of the most outspoken Kara reps and takes a lot of heat for the way he RP's his involvement.

The thing is that there are indeed various alliances that can from time to time seem to jump factional lines, Atys is like the real world around us in that matter. There are Kami and Karavan alike that are "rabid warmongers" as well as "moderates" and "tree hugging carebears."

Although I am Karavan (as is my guild), I'm a "moderate"- you wont see me at every OP battle, but as a Kara you'll never see me attack a Kara outpost unless its a transfer. But this is where the friction comes in since there are Kara and Kami alike that will actively attack same faction outposts be it in the name of Nationalism or Alliances.

In the end you'lll find that politics plays a large role in Atys, and adds spice to the game, after all without the bad guys the good guys have no one to fight. This also means that the neutrals have a role too, as the wildcard in Atyssian politics

guild versus guild would cause even more trouble and upset than outposts do currently, cause one or two guilds would own ALL of the outposts. I dont see how that would make things any better.

rundll32 wrote:guild versus guild would cause even more trouble and upset than outposts do currently, cause one or two guilds would own ALL of the outposts. I dont see how that would make things any better.

one uber guild with 2/3 the server population. that wouldnt be much fun :/