Ryzom

I didn't mean to fling mud. I am stating my observations.

OPs were ment for GvG conflict, that they have become FvF is an aberation; and to me it means that there is something other than arbitrary RP "sides" involved.

The thread disscuses faction numbers at a PvP event, and I figure it is quite on topic to disscuss if we are really dealing with factions at all. It seems to me that there is one group that thinks attacking other guilds is fun, there is another group that just wants to keep what they have. That these groups seem to break along an RP divide is facinating, dontcha think? And while we are talking about numbers, if I think that the size of the group that likes to attack other guilds is depressing...well...I don't see how that is mud-slinging.

aardnebb wrote: Not involved (it _is_ Dyron ya know)
Azad
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Daemion

hehe i wasnt supposed to be involved but i was , not bunnies policy to be aggressors, but i believe both sides agree that one fluffy homin aint gonna tip the battle but instead even it out slightly to make it a great battle, plus was only there for first half, needed the respite from all the digging and crafting lately.

thanks to both sides, was great laugh

Oh yea azad wasnt there, he was digging

for a kara defence (usually superior turnouts for a defending side) the numbers are really not the wildly spouted figures of 1:2 or 1:3. The numbers are there with appropriate time and communication. A bit more of a positive attitude to what numbers there actually are, rather than consigning a side to self defeatism prevalent in these forums.

OP would have always been as this, E2 or not. Friends and allies are usually of your own race primarily so alliances would have formed along very similar lines, and ended up as 2 dominante sides helping and sharing with each other.

Thanks for the accurate counting, Gloife, Zahan, Ciridemarr, Spriteh, Faa and everyone else! Its great to see some real numbers rather than just wildly inaccurate guesses and impressions.

mrshad wrote: It seems to me that there is one group that thinks attacking other guilds is fun, there is another group that just wants to keep what they have.

Well at this point in time all OP owners had to attack another guild to get the oupost they own, even the so called transfered ones. OP battles are Pvp regardless of whether its FvF or GvG so the bottom line is If you "just want to keep what you have" then owning an OP may not be your cup of tea

mrshad wrote:The thread disscuses faction numbers at a PvP event

No it doesn't, it discusses defender/attacker numbers at an OP attack. Hence the reason at least two of the names on the Attacker side are karavan trykers, and plenty more are neutrals.

That the sides are vaguely down the lines of "Matis kara defending against everyone else" is a completely different topic.

Lyam, Carnie, Chantia and Patri are LoA - defenders

As is Simone you have listed as an attacker.

holkan wrote:Wow
Huge signature !

You all know, big words but small on atys

mrshad wrote:one group that thinks attacking other guilds is fun, there is another group that just wants to keep what they have.

I've never heard the Legion of Atys complain about a real attack. After all, they took Malmont from the Soul.

naratuul wrote:Well at this point in time all OP owners had to attack another guild to get the oupost they own, even the so called transfered ones. ...

Not all outposts. Some ops are still held by the original owners.

If anyone is interested in seeing who won what outpost from whom when, I made a chronology of Arispotlean events. (Maybe I should move it to the main forum?)

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24913

mrshad wrote:OPs were meant for GvG conflict, that they have become FvF is an aberation; and to me it means that there is something other than arbitrary RP "sides" involved.

Actually the system is guild vs. guild, it is just not locked into a contest between 2 specific guilds. If it was in fact FvF, then the treacherous neutrals and psuedo-Karavan would not be able to attack a Karavan aligned guild without penalty. It basically works out that guilds have alliances with like minded folks and join together for defense & attacks. I think the "grouping" goes on to mitigate the claims made by some of a large gap in numbers. Once again this "large" gap is shown to not exist, but that will not stop the propoganda by those seeking to sway the uninformed.

naratuul wrote:Well at this point in time all OP owners had to attack another guild to get the oupost they own, even the so called transfered ones. OP battles are Pvp regardless of whether its FvF or GvG so the bottom line is If you "just want to keep what you have" then owning an OP may not be your cup of tea

I know of at least 2 of the currently held OP's that did not involve attacking another guild... though I agree with most of what you said, this part is not accurate.

Riveit wrote:If anyone is interested in seeing who won what outpost from whom when, I made a chronology of Arispotlean events. (Maybe I should move it to the main forum?)

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24913

This is awesome, if we had only paid better attention to all the attacks along the way we'd have a great representation of events. I know we have been attacked @ Ginti, but the who/when slips my feeble mind.