marct wrote:I think this is the only point I have contested here. This statement is not true if they are in a defensive pact with Kami supporters. They are not fighting for dappers here, they are not being mercenaries... They are supporting Kami.
If they are trading with Kami supporters, and giving them the means to become stronger, that is supporting the Kami as well.
Noin.
So you believe the only way to remain neutral is not have any dealing whatsoever with anyone who is either Kami or Karavan? Trading usually benefits both parties, so trading with them supports them. Hunting with them helps them get experience and supports them. Just hanging out with them might cause them to have fun which is supporting them.
"neutral" in Ryzom doesn't mean "going to any length to stay out of any fighting", it simply means not wanting to support either the Kami or the Karavan. A neutral party could still want to fight for their own interests, and if helping a group of Kami worshipper is in their own best interest, then I'd fully expect them to do so. That the Kami benefit from it as well would just be irrelevant side consequences to the neutrals. Whereas a truely Kami-aligned party should help the other Kami worshippers because it benefits the Kami, even if it goes against their own interest.
kostika wrote:Do not mistake people doing it for them asking for it. There is a big differance.
Just because someone does something, it may not be because they asked for it or want it, but because it is the only thing to do.
There's nothing about outposts that dictates they must be FvF. The spires were designed for the faction versus faction combat, the outposts for the guild versus guild. A Karavan guild taking an outpost doesn't benefit the Karavan, it benefits the guild.
Guilds allying to work together is a natural result, ofcourse, but it was the players that choose to put all Karavan guilds in one alliance and all Kami guilds in the other. To me it seems a little unnatural. I'd expect the Karavan zealots to attack outposts of Kami aligned guilds at every opportunity, but the more moderate Karavan followers to sometimes aid the more fanatical and sometimes oppose them. But no, we seem to have a situation where all Karavan guilds aid eachother without question, and same for all Kami.
The result is that a neutral guild either has to ally with a side or perish. If one Karavan/Kami guild attacks you, the whole side will, and your only chance is to have the other side help you. It's the players that choose to use outposts this way, not Nevrax.
Hopefully when spires are added, the FvF will focus on them and away from outposts.
