Prime Roots

[gecker]

From what I have observed and experienced in PR, the empty nodes are due to over harvesting. Sometimes the nodes recharge quickly, sometimes they don't. Usually changes in weather will trigger changes in nodes, but sometimes I just have to sit and wait or go elsewhere.

Initially I thought the empty nodes were a bug and I filed a bug report on it. Now as I spend more time in PR, it appears that the empty nodes are by design. Not that I like it, but it is currently one aspect among many that makes PR harvesting challenging and the rewards sweeter.

[zumwalt]

Just because it is not posted in the forums that it is a bug doesn't mean it's not. I completely disagree with your logic and fail to understand how you could even think what you do. I would take a GM's word over lack of a post anyday.

I also think you have not been reading these posts very thoroughly at all. It would be one thing if a node was empty from time to time, but as I have stated I have been there many, many times and gotten nothing. Sounds to me like you might be more worried about a little bit of good competition with good mats or something rather than about whether what a GM said was true or not. Everything you have stated is pretty much an opinion, not fact. I have based everything I have said regarding the bugged, yes I said bugged nodes in PR off of facts and things stated by the GM's themselves. And personally imo your get used to it attitude stinks. We should not have to get used to things that are not done right.

Interesting indeed, yea, I have a 'get used to it' attitude because its less stressful, why worry about something that you know is going to happen anyway.

They announced the changed in PR, and guess what, what they announced is what is actually happened.

Call it a bug if you want, doesn't matter to me either way.
Sure, I take GM's words at face value, when they state it openly, and I have heard it, who is to say a GM stated its a bug and has first hand knowledge of this bug from developers, I am positive that if this was the case, it would be posted in the announcements from the GM's so the players don't even talk about it.

They do that with most everything else.

Yes, there are other games out there, and when you login, at that second, understand you have to 'get used to it' on how that game works.

No one here can understand the logic behind most of the items programmed into the game, and the order of which there put in, and you really do need to get used to it, or you will go mad.

One day I had access to supreme q250 mats for jewelry, the next the nodes were GONE, not empty, just gone, yea I got used to it, moved around and found more stuff.

Another day, I had a place to get excellent moon resin q150, within 3 days, that spot was gone, replaced by kitin secretion, well, oh well, got used to it, moved on found other places to harvest.

There is nothing on the boards at the moment that state that the PR harvest is broken other than oppninions, and yes, to me there opninions, because I take what the patch stated as to how prime roots harvesting was to work, at face value, got used to it, and found something else to do with my time.

If you played 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, and stood in the exact same spot, ahd prospected every 5 minutes of each hour, and the same nodes came up empty, that could be a bug.

Who's to say that its not populating while your offline, and someone comes in and cleans it out, absolutely nothing.

This to me, makes sense, that it is actually popping with mats in it while your offline, and joe somebody comes along and strip mines it clean and moves on, you get back online, go to your spot, and petition a GM and say, look its still empty.

I can see that happening.

I have my own view on it, just like you do, and we are both entitled to our assumptions on how its working as long as there is no official announcement as to it being broken, which at current there is no official announcement on the board.

That is what I physically see.

Edit:

Proof in point by Gek's post above mine, this makes sense to me.

From what I have observed and experienced in PR, the empty nodes are due to over harvesting. Sometimes the nodes recharge quickly, sometimes they don't. Usually changes in weather will trigger changes in nodes, but sometimes I just have to sit and wait or go elsewhere.

Initially I thought the empty nodes were a bug and I filed a bug report on it. Now as I spend more time in PR, it appears that the empty nodes are by design. Not that I like it, but it is currently one aspect among many that makes PR harvesting challenging and the rewards sweeter.

[xenofur]

i have to agree with zumwalt here, what we have seems to be a üperceived bug, my train of thought goes like thie:

goal:
prime root materials have to be made special, everone and his little dog was running around in black/white armor

how to achieve:
limit grand total number of materials that can be gained from root sources

facts:
sources have two ways to prevent players from harvesting them
1. it can be exhausted, this does not mean there are no more materials there, it simply means you cannot harvest from it, it's an ON/OFF-switch, triggered by using up the life of the source. no source pops up
2. the number of materials in it can run out, this number get's generated randomly on each prospecting action. if it runs out the source is still alive but is simply empty.

changes done:
the number of materials in a source was limited and fixed for certain regions. every harvesting action in the roots in that region reduces it now. when it reaches zero it stays there for an indeterminate amount of time or server reboot. that means sources can still be popped but have no content.

why this is perceived as a bug:
players associate exhausted with empty and expect an empty region to come up with that message

something that might be bugged too:
the refill of the sources, apparently the content does not regenerate at all, except for server reboots. this can't possibly be verified tho, since noone knows the regeneration periods.

another perception error:
"leveling is impossible now." this is wrong, there is plenty of mission materials you can level on quite easily.

[gddss]

So basically what you all are saying is even though a GM confirmed this is a bug, I am to ignore that simply because you all think this is acceptable and it's not a bug just because it hasn't been posted? As for the weather thing, sorry but that doesn't work either. I've sat there and checked my map and watched it and one minute nodes pop and the next they say they can't due to weather even though according to the map the weather hasn't changed. And whether you like it or not and you can state all the opinions you want, a bug is a bug, that's a fact. There's simply no opinion on that.

As for depleted nodes, I have no problem with that, it makes sense, but we are not talking about nodes just being depleted from normal use.

I am still amazed, I just can't believe how some people here are just absolutely ok with the way things are. It would be one thing if they were meant to be that way, but they are not. If anyone is a champion for this game, I would be one of them. I love this game and it's the best I have ever played, but I want it to be fixed and done right. I am astounded at the time that has gone by with no fix. A day, 2 days, maybe 3 I can understand, but this has gone on way too long.

As for GM's posting about things, try doing a search and see how many times people have requested GM's post about something, and yes sometimes they do, but not always, so basing your facts off that is simply way off base.

[aelvana]

When ya sudenly get the message like that it means the sorce has turned supreme, not all sup sorces require ya to use higher extract but some do

Do sources turn supreme then back within a couple moments? I got the stanza message once, was thinking I'd send a ticket, tried it again first, and it worked fine then.

[gddss]

Do sources turn supreme then back within a couple moments? I got the stanza message once, was thinking I'd send a ticket, tried it again first, and it worked fine then.

I am not sure that they "turn". I've prospected for both within seconds and pulled up choice and above and they seem to be placed a little bit differently.

[plarfman]

I am still amazed, I just can't believe how some people here are just absolutely ok with the way things are. It would be one thing if they were meant to be that way, but they are not. If anyone is a champion for this game, I would be one of them. I love this game and it's the best I have ever played, but I want it to be fixed and done right. I am astounded at the time that has gone by with no fix. A day, 2 days, maybe 3 I can understand, but this has gone on way too long.

As for GM's posting about things, try doing a search and see how many times people have requested GM's post about something, and yes sometimes they do, but not always, so basing your facts off that is simply way off base.

I think alot of us are ok with it because there are other places then PR to forage. Also as for the amount of time that has gone by and the bug not fixed dont forget they are trying to get the next major patch working properly.Try other games and see how often they patch ...you will find it is only once a month if lucky. Ryzom has it set so they can patch when they need to and at the moment i doubt empty nodes in the PR is at the top of there list or perhaps they are not fixing it because as mentioned above it is not a bug at all.

[bodywand]

Do sources turn supreme then back within a couple moments? I got the stanza message once, was thinking I'd send a ticket, tried it again first, and it worked fine then.

Sometimes, yes. I've sat on sources digging choice, then they'll switch to excellent for one pull, then to supreme. This has happened during weather changes.. choice before, excellent during the change, and supreme after. I've also had supreme sources last for a very short time before going back to excellent or choice.

[zumwalt]

I've sat there and checked my map and watched it and one minute nodes pop and the next they say they can't due to weather even though according to the map the weather hasn't changed. And whether you like it or not and you can state all the opinions you want, a bug is a bug, that's a fact. There's simply no opinion on that.

This strikes me as odd, as so many others have posted stating the exact opposite, people who harvest there on a daily basis and see how weather does make a difference.

True, a bug is a bug, when in fact its a bug, but currently, everything stated about the empty noted is based on pure oppinion, I only say this because so many people have stated that the nodes to replenish, some slow, some fast, and some change as per weather.

The only fact on prime roots is what was posted for patch notes, that is not opinion, that is the driving factor on how the Prime Roots works today.

This is probably another reason why there ignoring this, because its frankly not an issue to them right now.

They may review it in the future to change how nodes are avaliable, but they have other things there concentrating on.

[haddo]

I just reported empty sources in Abyss of Ichor. GM acknowledges this as a issue that "is being look into at this time". Same reply I got back when the bug first showed up. This IS a bug, at least in the PR areas that aren't supposed to be PvP. At one time they talked about PvP PR areas having this happen and that was going to be by design so people could fight over / guard sources. I'm very disappointed it wasn't fixed in today's patch.

When you get a message that your quality is not high enough, that means the source is at supreme and you have to use at least Q150 gentle or aggressive extract. So either you are high enough to use that or you will be getting extract failures. If you don't have q150 at all, then you are out of luck on supreme.

Haddo