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The title dont mean squat, Most of the karavan people i talk to think we were given the event and have started to call my title a "FREE" title that was giving to me for no reason. They feal as though the event was riged for us to win. I dont know what they went threw over there but from what i hear it was not fun times. Lack of a plan, organization, and communication was what i heard was wrong with the karavan side. This is what i heard from people that were on that side. Sorry you guys lost but hey it happens people lose get over it. From what i saw WE the kami had a plan, organization, and communication. So we won.

Vaqeuro this totally DISGUSTS me, and EVERYONE who was on the karavan side.

For the following BASIC reasons.

Our script was BROKE, simple.

We had a plan, we had organization, we had communication, we got TO THE OUTPOST we were supposed to, but there was only TRYKER GUARDIANS, there was supposed to be a TRYKER TRIBE LEADER to defend once we got in place, he was NOT THERE.

Secondly, our second objective was also BROKE, we were supposed to move to the CUTES fortress and overthrow there leader, and there was no such thing.

The CUTES spawned in groups of 6, 5 trackers and 1 leader, they spawned out of no where, on top of us, and sometimes more than 1 group at a time.

TELL ME that your event went this way, TELL ME that the KAMI were given the same treatment, TELL ME that the KAMI event was missing its PRIME 2 event triggers and was broken.

LET ME KNOW that the KAMI event had mobs in the 200+ level attacking them at all times.

Your observation is flawed in so many ways, you have NO CLUE what we went through, and the DISGUST we dealt with through the event.

WE WERE setup for failure from the start, PERIOD.

Even if we had your force (KAMI) added to our force (KARAVAN) it would have FAILED because the 2 event triggers were broken.

Should the KAMI be allowed to keep there titles they 'earned' and the instant mega fame they 'earned' NO, it should be whiped immediately.

All events should be the same as the first Kitin invasion of the MATIS lands (which I was there for all of it), it was for FUN, no FAME, no FACTION, no REWARDS, it was pure entertainment.

The fact that the KAMI got anything out of this other than just the enjoyment of an event is totally DISGUSTING, neither side should get FACTION / FAME / TITLE or anything otherwise described in any way other than the knowledge that you did your best to WIN or LOOSE.

I am fed up with this thread, its disgusting and very anoying that they decided to do a 'rewards' to the 'winers', the title to me will only stand for 1 thing, disgusting putrid filthy free title that is worth no more than the dirt under my karavan feet.

zumwalt wrote:Vaqeuro this totally DISGUSTS me, and EVERYONE who was on the karavan side.

For the following BASIC reasons.

Our script was BROKE, simple.

We had a plan, we had organization, we had communication, we got TO THE OUTPOST we were supposed to, but there was only TRYKER GUARDIANS, there was supposed to be a TRYKER TRIBE LEADER to defend once we got in place, he was NOT THERE.

Secondly, our second objective was also BROKE, we were supposed to move to the CUTES fortress and overthrow there leader, and there was no such thing.

The CUTES spawned in groups of 6, 5 trackers and 1 leader, they spawned out of no where, on top of us, and sometimes more than 1 group at a time.

TELL ME that your event went this way, TELL ME that the KAMI were given the same treatment, TELL ME that the KAMI event was missing its PRIME 2 event triggers and was broken.

LET ME KNOW that the KAMI event had mobs in the 200+ level attacking them at all times.

Your observation is flawed in so many ways, you have NO CLUE what we went through, and the DISGUST we dealt with through the event.

WE WERE setup for failure from the start, PERIOD.

Even if we had your force (KAMI) added to our force (KARAVAN) it would have FAILED because the 2 event triggers were broken.

Should the KAMI be allowed to keep there titles they 'earned' and the instant mega fame they 'earned' NO, it should be whiped immediately.

All events should be the same as the first Kitin invasion of the MATIS lands (which I was there for all of it), it was for FUN, no FAME, no FACTION, no REWARDS, it was pure entertainment.

The fact that the KAMI got anything out of this other than just the enjoyment of an event is totally DISGUSTING, neither side should get FACTION / FAME / TITLE or anything otherwise described in any way other than the knowledge that you did your best to WIN or LOOSE.

I am fed up with this thread, its disgusting and very anoying that they decided to do a 'rewards' to the 'winers', the title to me will only stand for 1 thing, disgusting putrid filthy free title that is worth no more than the dirt under my karavan feet.

Erm... we were escorting some folks through bounty beaches to zorai when the event started and considered seeing if we could clear out a camp clogged with the new mobs when we ran past it... we decided to let it go and try to rush through to zorai, but we did see the leader... you simply did not make it to the proper camp, or did not manage to actually click on the leader.

North American Kami had at least 15 people in a teamspeak server, many of them the highest levels out there, many of them with a great deal of experience in the cat herding that is involved in dealing with a 40-50+ person mob of folks... many of them having worked together in the past many times on hunting trips and expiditions such as zzei's recent trip around the world... many of them having been the group that got exp on almost 100% of the kills on said trip. After the event was over, when I asked if anything like that was being used on the karavan side, the answer was "a little".

There were wipeouts for Kami on the north american server, we dealt with it, regrouped, and did it again.

There were conflicting and confusing mission reports from the Kami where we were told to defend the camps... even more, we had to get these reports through the special form of yodaspeak that the Kami speak in.

The group I was with doing the escort through bounty beaches talked to the Karavan quest notify guy in bounty beaches on our way through... the mission was essentially the same with Kami and Karavan replacing each other and less yodaspeak.

And finally... there are far too many reports from the Karavan folks on the NA server that they were simply disorganized and not really completely up to snuff on things for you to blame this on a conspiracy that was out to get you. Especially when compared to the Kami side of things where we have had extensive experience in handling both grouping, multigrouping, and mass flocking movements with VOIP chat to organize it.

I think that this may be where our lower initial population numbers saved us.

In the opening month or so of Ryzom, Zorai was always very much underpopulated. Whenever we wanted/needed to get somewhere, we were forced to do so while acting in complete concert under a very clear and inviolate chain of command. As a result, we (Comitatus Praetorian and allies specifically and Zorans generally) have been forced to hone our movement and battle skills to a very fine point. Quite simply, we can do more with less. This is a result of our trial by fire early on. I am sure that as the population balances out, all players will begin to see to using text chat and loose teams to orchestrate large movements is archaic, clumsy, and deadly. Some people do not have the option, but understand the situation fully when you commit a raid force to battle without proper comms.

I will not comment on fame or titles, but I am proud to be Zoran, and I am incredibly proud of my guild and our allies. They have, yet again, acted with poise, precision, and cunning in the execution of our goals.

Bravo!!!

vaquero1 wrote:First i wanna say this:

The title dont mean squat, Most of the karavan people i talk to think we were given the event and have started to call my title a "FREE" title that was giving to me for no reason. They feal as though the event was riged for us to win. I dont know what they went threw over there but from what i hear it was not fun times. Lack of a plan, organization, and communication was what i heard was wrong with the karavan side. This is what i heard from people that were on that side. Sorry you guys lost but hey it happens people lose get over it. From what i saw WE the kami had a plan, organization, and communication. So we won.

back to the post

I am sure you work hard raynes. (Although sometimes i think you only work hard at posting on the forums) As far as titles go you should get a title for working that hard. I got my title threw combat. You sould get a title for your work with missions. However it sould not be the same title i get threw combat. I do both missions and did the event. My fame PERSONAL fame was ok to start i had like +20 or so on kami. After the event my PERSONAL fame went to like +40 or something. The only place I got a BIG jump in fame was in my Global Fame. That was pretty good to begin with. From what i understand and correct me if i am wrong sence a bunch of my guildmates were in this event they got fame to..and that increased my guild fame. on top of that my personal fame was going up as well. And on top of that other Zorai were fighting to and i think that is my civilization fame going up. So the global fame is all 3 fames total. Well that shot up like a rocket. Cause all the other fames were going up. So this is where i stand now.

Kami 76 40 20 16

karavan -85 -38 -14 -33

Zorai 89 47 26 16


So i guess because my fellow Zorai were fighting with me that pushed my Civi fame up. Me and my guild mates drove my guild fame up. And I drove my personal fame up 20 points. All combined my global fame shot up by like 40 or so points i think.

So i ask you this post your fame up here tell us what the numbers are in your fame. Tell us how long it took you to get up that high and what missions you did. Personally I go up to The Company of the Eternal Tree Camp and do there missions they r ez to do and give good fame. I started doing fame missions from the second week of the game. I did one or two every day taking about 10-30min to finish. If i had started earlier doing fame missions my fame before the event would have been very high.


So are you 100 personal fame or 100 global fame? and what is your guild fame?


I think MOST people are have missed the whole point of this event. That was to make homins pick a side to be on kami or karavan, instead of sitting on the fence cause i think most people we not doing missions.

Here are my current fame levels:
http://www.icandies.org/ryzom/fame112504.jpg

I did search on the boards and my first post about fame was on Sept 27th. So I think its safe to say that I have been working on fame since the beginning. As you can see from the graphic I have high personal levels of fame in Zorai, Kami, Icon, and reasonably high in Shadow Runners. To get that level of fame I did the follow types of missions:
Get Fur
Get Meat
Kill Kippe
Count Animals
Deliver Package (only because the NPC was in the same camp)
Get Kippe Morsals
Kill Carnivours
Kill Herbivours
Tour outpost (as of late mostly)


Now how fame is earned. You are right that the civ fame, guild fame, and personal fame to determine the global fame number. But I can assure you that your civ fame did not change from this event. If it had, so would of mine. So any fame you got had to be either in your personal or guild columns.

Now having said that my guildmate thinks that he got the boost in Kami fame because each Antikami he got one hit on gave him a .5 increase in his fame level. Someone said that was normal and not event specific. I am not high level enough to verify this, but from what I have seen so far I don't beleive that is the case. First of the only way I have seen fame awarded for killing things is if you have a mission. No mission, no fame is awarded. But even if it is the case, that you can randomally kill Antikamis to get fame without a mission, it's still not the same as this event. For the event the spawns were turned up. The danger in the roots getting to them was removed. The ability to kill NPC's was incresed so fame became much easier to gain. As they adjust all sorts of things for events so the game doesn't become unbalanced, the same should of been done with the fame levels. If I can kill Antikamis 10's faster than normal, then the fame awarded should be reduced by 10%.


As for titles. Should I get the exact same title as you did for winning a battle? No of course not. I didn't fight nor did I accomplish the same goal. But after doing task after task after task I think I deserve to be called something like ally. At least some form of recognition for my dedication to the tribe.

So glad you think its "free" I fought hard for this title. I love the kami and if you dont like my title you can come pry it from my cold dead kami hands......


BTW all who dont know we killed a patrol while we were down there....does everyone know what that is?......kinda safe to say that it was not eazy.

I guess my real concern is that the only fame number that will matter is the global fame number. If you were to compare the global fame numbers of me and Zen it would appear as if we both have done similar amounts of work. While I do have 24 more points in Global Kami fame, 76 and 100 are both in the same color level which means that we are both viewed in the highest manor. However if you look at the personal fame levels his Kami is 40 while mine is 77. His Zorai is 47 while mine is 80. It's very clear that I have put much more time into building fame than he has. (Remember global fame is the total of the other fames. So that will improve at a much easier rate than pesonal fame).

So if personal fame is going to mean something by itself, then the rewards would be somewhat fair. However if global fame is the only fame that will matter (which is the case from what I understad), then there is a very big problem and something needs to be done about it.

the deliver package thing is cool if you set up a macro to target the persons name u seek then you may have to run around a bit and find him but it does not take to long those r my fav's.

you can directly target the name of npcs? oO

I would like to respond to a few things on this thread.

vaquero1 wrote:The title dont mean squat, Most of the karavan people i talk to think we were given the event and have started to call my title a "FREE" title that was giving to me for no reason. They feal as though the event was riged for us to win. I dont know what they went threw over there but from what i hear it was not fun times. Lack of a plan, organization, and communication was what i heard was wrong with the karavan side. This is what i heard from people that were on that side. Sorry you guys lost but hey it happens people lose get over it. From what i saw WE the kami had a plan, organization, and communication. So we won.

I do not believe you were 'given' the event. You all had worked hard to 'win' this event, so congratulations. But, I would say you had a few unforseen advantages. First, you had a much closer respawn/base point of operations in Min-Cho. Second, Liberty Lake is known for its habit of causing people to crash, repeatedly. Having constant delay because people are crashing 2-3 times just trying to get to BB is a pretty serious set back, especially when its 10-15%+ of your forces. Third, the scripting and instructions given by your kami mission givers. You were told to go and clear out the camps, I remember reading this and going to scout with a number of CP and others in the Witherings/Grove of Umbra. The Karavan were told to defend a camp that was the last stand of civilization in the beaches. That there was a Tryker Leader Officer who must be protected, otherwise all was lost. To expect attacks regularly there, so we should keep a contingent to defend there, while sending out a force to clear the camp. These were instructions from the Karavan in Bounty Beaches. We had a plan to accomplish this, we organized the teams, we had communicated this to the others there. We get to the camp, set up defences, and lo and behold... There is no 'Tryker Leader Officer', there were no 'waves of attack', at least nothing beyond normal aggro from gibbai and cutes nearby. Later we find out that we weren't even supposed to defend this camp from talking to a GM.

tetra wrote:Erm... we were escorting some folks through bounty beaches to zorai when the event started and considered seeing if we could clear out a camp clogged with the new mobs when we ran past it... we decided to let it go and try to rush through to zorai, but we did see the leader... you simply did not make it to the proper camp, or did not manage to actually click on the leader.

That was not the right camp tetra, we cleared that camp, nothing but a respawn point for 3 groups of hunters/raiders. The actual camp was about 150-200m north, hidden in a depression, with another 5 group of gibbai/cute fighters/shamans/etc. And as for making our way across pre-event. That was NOTHING compared to the amount of gibbai/cutes that were up during it, the mob density almost tripled in most of the zone from when you were there. I was there with you when you crossed, and I co-lead with Gfunk the force crossing. There was a significant difference.

Sorry for going off topic on the previous comments. But I felt they had to be addressed. As for the fame? I believe they should have turned off the fame bonii from killing mobs, just like they turned off the dp. Getting a title, and fame from completion is fine, but everyone should have recieved the same fame, who helped, not just those in the 'xp group'.

Personally, having friends on both kami and karavan, and having read both sides scripts, turning it into a competition was out of whack IMO. The Kami blamed the karavan, the karavan were blaming the kami. Honestly, I (and a few others) believe it was the work of a 3rd party, and the kami/karavan conflict either kept them from trying to unite in this endeavor, or they are both trying to use their 'followers' for their own ends. Since I follow both sides, and have friends on both sides, I guess that is why I feel it wrong to have cheapened the event into a lame competition.

madnak wrote:We could have been better organized, but we did just fine for a loose coalition of largely casual players. The Zorai won by a very large margin on all four servers. So I think something else is up.

The biggest advantage we had that you didn't was spawn points. I don't know if it simply my negative karavan faction talking, but the only spawns I have in Tryker are entrances in from other lands and the one in Fair Haven. With it being said that the teams had to swim back after every raid, I'm guessing no. On our side, we were able to get the spawns in Min Cho, the Umbra Gate and in the Roots.

As for the broken script, we got 'kill three chiefs' and the three chiefs were lethal gibbai not 'gibbai chiefs', so it took some guesswork and a raid wipe for us to work it out. We got the 'leave defenders behind' message, and they got wiped. We got the Zorai Defenders, who did not defend against gibbai. There were bugs and mis-tells and glitches on our side too. I'm willing to bet the speeches given were the same for both.

As for it being rigged so we got the baby-sitter version of the mobs... well, we took out a kitin patrol with maybe three teams. Are they easier in Zora too? You're saying that the cutes you faced were tougher than a kitin patrol?

And as for the co-ordination, there was a lot of that going on. I was listening through most of it. There was a heck of a lot of organisation, which helps.

There were disadvantages in the Karavan side, yes, but not fair to simply dismiss us as getting the gimped pre-school version out of pity.... tchaa. We came, we saw, we kicked butt. At least give us some credit here.

Tin.