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trosky wrote:BTW the conclusion, except from the fact whinners are pathetic, is mainly that a lot of the forums user are actually isolated or shy in real life, lots of them cannot defend themself in real life. Other are the type of people that were bullied in real life. Forums are a way of satisfying their desire for vengeance or just to satisfy their need to be listen and to react when being insulted. People with strong attitude in real life are not the main "b i t c h e r" in forums...

Sorry if im not really clear and precise but my main language is french and the study was also made in french.

Ever seen the movie "the Experiment" or read about the stanford prison experiment ? flamers are comparable with the way some of the guard reacted to their new power.

I didn't seen the movie but I know the experiment well, you refer to the research of Zimbardo Haney banks and Jaffe conducted in 1982 that had so terrible results that the psychologists interrupted it after mere 14 days right?. and it's good to meet a fellow psychologist!! I study psychology as well, but as for 'strong attitude' in forums that is inversed to the real life attitude I must disagree sorry. your current experiment is lacking of control of the intervening variables. people are *****ing for a reason, not just *****ing. since you claim to be a psychologist I do not need to explain me here, I will assume you know research metodology.
Care to explain me the current aim of your research? it is base research or you are trying to prove an hypetesys? I will be happy to help you out in your research, I've conducted a few researches myself on mmrpg and their impact on people life in the past, if you want I can refer you some good material.

as for using people as lab mice, remember that you cannot use the research results unless they do consent to divulge data on them, ah and why exactly you made known of them being mice? one of the wrost things to do in applied research is letting people know you are doing research, it does false their reaction.

are you sure you aren't saying that to build yourself a fake sense of superiority saying 'I'm a psychologist I know what I am doing'? because would be silly.

trosky wrote:Im trosky's friend. Writing from is account.

Trosky is just acting the exact same way your acting toward Nevrax and Ryzom, leting his emotion out. He knows what the result of his post would be, hes gonna get flamed, that was obvious.

I did wrote my Thesis about forums and flamers, we actually went to various french forums, looking for flames... then asked various question to the flamers to find what kind of individuals they were.

The conclusion trosky stated and the comparaison with Dr Zimbardo Experience is a good summarize of my thesis, it was a lot more complete then that but i wont explain everything on a forum... i think its already enough to see where im going.

But i dont think its a good idea to make fun of flamers (because of the usual background of a flamer and the fact that they actually take forums personally).

But i got to admit that most of them are really funny.

wow! interesting!! you was actually referring to THAT! you piqued my curiosity, please DO TELL more about your research, ah, and about forum flamers, remember the world is quite varied, have you ever taken in consideration that some of them does it actually out of fun?

trosky wrote:Im trosky's friend. Writing from is account.

Trosky is just acting the exact same way your acting toward Nevrax and Ryzom, leting his emotion out. He knows what the result of his post would be, hes gonna get flamed, that was obvious.

I did wrote my Thesis about forums and flamers, we actually went to various french forums, looking for flames... then asked various question to the flamers to find what kind of individuals they were.

The conclusion trosky stated and the comparaison with Dr Zimbardo Experience is a good summarize of my thesis, it was a lot more complete then that but i wont explain everything on a forum... i think its already enough to see where im going.

But i dont think its a good idea to make fun of flamers (because of the usual background of a flamer and the fact that they actually take forums personally).

But i got to admit that most of them are really funny.

True, many times one comes across some very categorical individuals who fit in certain models of social expression easily discernable by the learned.

However, my dear friend, this is merely a game with its public in obvious turmoil over some recent events that had a signifigant impact on the greater majority of its player base.

You may lump some into certain "flamer" categories, even your purposeful friend, yet not all share the same degree of intellect and insight as you propose. Some are just the average person who felt utterly discouraged and feels some healing from venting.

On the other hand, have you considered the possibility of a calculated effort to affect a positive change from within the ranks of the disenchanted? Or does your data prove we are all just lambs following the voice of an aggravated shepherd?

I never claimed to be a psychologist... my friend is in social study at UQAM (university of quebec in montreal).

I've always been curious about social study, phylosophy and psychology, i read a lot about it, im an autodidact in that feild. That is why i helped him with the study.

BTW we are not analysing the fact that people are *****ing, i know they are variables to explain that. We are analysing the way people put their complaints vs the way they would have done it in real life. And the study was about flamers in general, not in a context of customers vs cie.

The thesis was completed about 6 month ago..

Some are just the average person who felt utterly discouraged and feels some healing from venting.

Thats exactly what we are saying : You acted because you were frustrated, instead of stating issus and controlling your temper, you ***** and feel good from doing it.

Thats exactly what im doing now about whinners

trosky wrote:I never claimed to be a psychologist... my friend is in social study at UQAM (university of quebec in montreal).

I've always been curious about social study, phylosophy and psychology, i read a lot about it, im an autodidact in that feild. That is why i helped him with the study.

BTW we are not analysing the fact that people are *****ing, i know they are variables to explain that. We are analysing the way people put their complaints vs the way they would have done it in real life. And the study was about flamers in general, not in a context of customers vs cie.

The thesis was completed about 6 month ago..

Maybe, then, we could implore you to do a study on MMORPG companies and their abilities, or lack thereof, to relate to the customer base and/or benefits or drawbacks or unpopular business adjustments?

p.s. You handle yourself and the posts very well, friend of Trosky.

thantos wrote:Maybe, then, we could implore you to do a study on MMORPG companies and their abilities, or lack thereof, to relate to the customer base and/or benefits or drawbacks or unpopular business adjustments?

p.s. You handle yourself and the posts very well, friend of Trosky.

I like it. I'd like to see that study.

trosky wrote:
The thesis was completed about 6 month ago..

can I have a copy of it? so I don't have to go tru the university archives?
it is in french or english? (I do not know too much french).

Trosky's friend back...

I just wanted to explain the comparaison between flamers and the guard in Dr Zimbardo's experience.

1- Anonyma : The guards were given big "Redneck" glasses and uniform to put them in a context of anonyma.
2- The Guard that went really bad was actually shy, introvert in real life.

Forums :

1- Complete anonyma
2- The flamers are often shy and introvert in real life. That was my hypothesis and my conclusion is that in most of the case, it is true.

You can get a copy at the departement of social study of UQAM, its in french.