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kisedd wrote: So its gone and we are all gonna get a lot less mats and die a lot more.

You won't necesarily die alot more. Careful selection of your stanzas can minimize the size of the explosion that you get. Even in roots you can use stanzas that reduce the risk you take while extracting. The only thing in the up coming changes that I can see effecting the quantity of mats you harvest is the release of toxic gas clouds, and someone that is paying attention to what they are doing CAN avoid death. The careful harvester can avoid all explosions and gassings, but the price is less mats. But again, with the right stanzas you can harvest to your heart's content. With my current line up of stanzas (I'm currently level 104 Desert Foraging) in the extraction plan tree, my max pulls are the same if i go all gentle or all aggressive. The the increased Focus usage of the Gentle stanzas without a doubt is worth using if you want to reduce the risk you take with using Agressive stanzas. Overall, I doubt the changes to the way that you interact with sources will change my style of play much. However, I would still like to see and be able to change the source modes although in a much more restricted sense (see my previous post in this thread on how i think source mode changing should occur).

Yes, there is always the magic "cancel action" button.

I'm a pretty uncommon harvester I think, never used mat spec till lvl 115 and am still refusing to use the switch source mod game, because it's IMO an exploit. Should the source stability drop too much when I am at low health I simply cancel the extraction. At full health no explosion can kill me due to a good set of hp jewels. No problems with lvup as well, at lvl 175 I still get 2k exp per forage and lvl up far quicker than my crafting at lvl 90. At lvl 190-200 that will probably have dropped to 1k exp, like it did at 90-100, but so what? I will lvl then still far faster than crafting.

I voted for "feature". Without it crafting will become almost undoable ...

Oh, and don't even mention care plans, it's really bad enough if one person has to be bored to death foraging, don't make it a group effort

nunyas wrote:What? You just contradicted yourself. You agree that changing the mode should be considered an exploit but think that restarting the extraction to get the mode you want is ok. That is changing the mode, and the exploit IS restarting the extraction process over and over until you get the mode that you want. The fact that you can use the built in macro editor to stop and restart the extracion to change the mode to the one you want is the whole reason that the Gentle stanzas are rendered worthless. If you can sit there and stop and restart your extraction plan repeatedly until you get the mode that you want, why even bother with using the more expensive Gentle stanzas.

The only way that the mode should be able to be changed is if you us a care plan. I would like to still see what mode the source is in when i start harvesting, and have the source STAY in that mode until i use a care plan. Also, the mode should not change until the care plan has FINISHED it's execution (i.e. the progress bar filled up), and no change in the source mode if the care plan was cancelled prior to completion. That's the solution that makes most sense with the current skills and abilities given to the harvesters.

My apologies for the confusion. It seemed like it was being claimed that there was a way to "set" the mode you want somehow, not just get to it by repeated restarts.

I'm not looking forward to what i'm hearing about the harvesting under Patch 1. Looks like it's going to be pretty slow and unpredictable work.

Why not use gentle plans? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM!!!!! I'm in one of those stretches (mid-60s) where if I want to level at an acceptable rate, I have to use aggressive 100 instead of gentle 50. I will probably end up using gentle once I can get it.

I'm not asking for miracles, speed-leveling, or anything like that. All I know is that before I found out about changing the mode, I was getting 5-6 mats of the kind I was looking for AN HOUR, not 5 a minute as some have claimed. Either the source would get exhausted before I could stop the harvest, or I would die from an explosion and spend several minutes getting back to the harvest spot. This means harvesting most of the time I have available to be on-line just to make 1 good-quality weapon.

Also, i don't see how having a group of harvesters working for me would solve anything... if there are a limited number of sites to get the material, and they run out quickly, 5 harvesters wouldn't get any more per hour than 1 does. If the game is going to go the direction of getting all your items from your guild buddies, i guess all this talk of a "game economy" is just that - talk. I was attracted to this game in the beginning by the things I read about crafting and the chance to become someone well-regarded in the community because of your skills. Having everying guild-based doesn't sound like that to me.

Heres my problem. It's hard enough getting from lvl 50-60 in foraging, and now you're going to take away the one thing which helps speed up this process? Right now I just flip through till I see modes 0 or 1, and then let it go on. For me, 2,3,4,5 depeletes the source way too fast, and in order to lvl at the ridiculusly slow rate that I'm going at, I can't have that happen. Hopefull I can get to 60 before the patch comes out, but I pray for anyone going through those level later on.

Oh and as far as using gentle extraction? I've used both harmful and gentle on two different alts, and frankly, I haven't really noticed a difference.

my foraging is at 43 atm. i plan on foraging non-stop until patch 1 comes out. hopefully i'll make it to 60+ in time.

if not, i'll be using guild mats for crafting from now on.

Never thought flipping thru modes was bad.. Was taught it back in beta, and never saw any major discussion on wether or not it was an exploit. It was just how things were done, so you did it. As far as anyone I talked to about it, it was just a neat trick so you didn't kill yourself or the node in 5 swings or less.

I'm 110 desert 100 roots forage. I only select the mode I want when going for quantities of mats instead of quality for xp. If they hide mode, I have a good idea what mode i'll be in based on how the HP and risk bars move. Easy to recognize after 2000+ harvests.

You know if they made a mini game out of it... IE dig-dug style. I think it would make harvesting more fun.

rodrigoq wrote: If they hide mode, I have a good idea what mode i'll be in based on how the HP and risk bars move. Easy to recognize after 2000+ harvests.

Sorry .. I dont mean to single you out but, You (like most people posting in this thread) do not understand the exploit. What you are thinking of is not the exploit. There is a way of having almost complete control over the source mode before you even start to extract mats. This is the exploit. Changing the source mode while harvesting is not the exploit.

I am not sure why people cannot understand this. Maybe no one reads.. I dont know..

jesder wrote:Sorry .. I dont mean to single you out but, You (like most people posting in this thread) do not understand the exploit. What you are thinking of is not the exploit. There is a way of having almost complete control over the source mode before you even start to extract mats. This is the exploit. Changing the source mode while harvesting is not the exploit.

I am not sure why people cannot understand this. Maybe no one reads.. I dont know..

I understand completely. When I go for pulls greater than 1 mat I make sure it's the mode I want before I even start to pull. Easily done to any node. Easy enough to sit and rotate thru modes till you get the mode you want. Then you just let it harvest away and you get your mats. For the time spent getting the mode before you even take 0.2 of a mat, it can sometimes pay off, sometimes you end up shorting yourself because you can't get the mode you want.

I know what the issue is, and don't see it as an exploit, since as far as i've been informed, it was in the first open beta, FB and Final OB. If it wasn't intended to be ingame, it would have been corrected over a year ago. I learned the trick in the final open beta.