Ryzom

bfox3 wrote:Oh so they're getting to it, super. Interesting that they still chose not to "get" to it before this harvesting nerf, even though it affects the entire playerbase, not just the harvesting community.




Ok then, what Nevrax should do is lower the combat xp cap to 1700, which is about the max xp I can get from a pull. I mean what's fair is fair, right? While we're at it, we should take a whole line of combat actions and make them useless, how about increased damage or bleed? I mean, fair is fair, and whatever the wise devs say must be right, right?

I removed the extraction specialization and the jungle specialization from all my extraction actions, and saw zero difference in the speed, danger and quantity of extracted mats, while it used about a half the focus. That means those stanzas have no benefit whatsoever, they're just wasted SP. I've only had them for 4 days. How is it "more challenging" to simply nullify 80 skill points worth of skills? What was the challenge, to guess which skills were going to be nullified? Is that the kind of challenge that Ryzom is going to be?



This shows you have little to no knowledge of how difficult it is to a) find resources that you need b) find them in the right quality c) learn how to extract them without dying in a reasonable quantity, all while d) avoiding all aggro mobs that can kill you in 3 hits. Harvesting was plenty challenging enough. This nerf doesn't make it more challenging, just less fun.



Not more challenging, less fun. The game is a drag and a grind now, where it was fun before. I can't even extract q 100 mats, even though I have harmful extraction 100! I can only get 99, which matters if you want to make q100 weapons. Again, explain to me how it's more challenging to take an entire line of skills and make them useless. Are combat players ready to step up and become similarly emasculated?



You may not have noticed, Mr. Observation, but the NA server has like 250 people on it tops. Alienating 50 or 60 of them at this point is not a wise move. It's already such a low population game that it detracts from the experience. What I find amusing is the people who will come on the boards and defend ANY bone-headed action of the devs, as if they were relatives or as if you owned stock in the company. Take another 60 people out of the game and you won't have a game.

But... that's just my observation...

aelvana wrote:I buy a lot of stam and stam regen. Do I need it as a healer? Not at all! Why did I spend skill points on them? Because it helps me level fight faster, and I use fight to buy hp/invincible/etc. Once I have what I want from fight, all those dozens of points I spend on stam won't do me a drop of good. But they'll be worth it, because they helped me level fast.

Those who bought the specializations bought them because they knew they provided faster leveling at the expense of playing a harvester the way harvesters were meant to be played. They didn't hurt the class with this nerf -- they hurt the classes ability to cheese-it-up when it comes to EXP. I imagine if everyone complaining admitted that they were basically cheesing their way through EXP, their arguments wouldn't seem as valid to everyone.

I won't be whining when they nerf blind. I'm aware that I'll have been one of the people who took advantage of it for quick levels, and if anything, be happy that I could use it for gain pre-nerf. I know people may not have expected a nerf here, but let's be honest, these skills were purchased for cheesy EXP gain and not for actual use in harvesting.

In other MMORPGs, when they nerf this classes ability or that classes ability, there are no skill points to refund. It's not even an issue. Typically, when something's nerfed, people know it's because it was cheesy or imbalanced, and accept the nerf, without rerolling their chars.

All this having been said, the people wanting a refund do have a point. Re-reading what I wrote above, though, that point seems like just a whole lot of whining.

Also, I don't particularly care for the implication that people who are requesting a refund on these revamped skill bricks are merely "whining" about the game becoming more challenging. They bought skills that had one function and now it has a totally different function. I can see their side of this.

aelvana wrote:I buy a lot of stam and stam regen. Do I need it as a healer? Not at all! Why did I spend skill points on them? Because it helps me level fight faster, and I use fight to buy hp/invincible/etc. Once I have what I want from fight, all those dozens of points I spend on stam won't do me a drop of good. But they'll be worth it, because they helped me level fast.

Those who bought the specializations bought them because they knew they provided faster leveling at the expense of playing a harvester the way harvesters were meant to be played. They didn't hurt the class with this nerf -- they hurt the classes ability to cheese-it-up when it comes to EXP. I imagine if everyone complaining admitted that they were basically cheesing their way through EXP, their arguments wouldn't seem as valid to everyone.

I won't be whining when they nerf blind. I'm aware that I'll have been one of the people who took advantage of it for quick levels, and if anything, be happy that I could use it for gain pre-nerf. I know people may not have expected a nerf here, but let's be honest, these skills were purchased for cheesy EXP gain and not for actual use in harvesting.

In other MMORPGs, when they nerf this classes ability or that classes ability, there are no skill points to refund. It's not even an issue. Typically, when something's nerfed, people know it's because it was cheesy or imbalanced, and accept the nerf, without rerolling their chars.

All this having been said, the people wanting a refund do have a point. Re-reading what I wrote above, though, that point seems like just a whole lot of whining.

aelvana wrote:All things considered, I don't think anyone who purchased those skills just for the sake of powerleveling has any room to complain about them not being usable for powerleveling anymore.

rudedog3 wrote:Ok, you explain to me your god-like indepth knowledge on "How a harvester was meant to be played" I didn't know you had all the insight there. If you read the decription of the skill it did exatly what harvestors were using it for. And on that note, does that mean that warriors and mages were "meant to be played" with max 1700 xp when they hit a certain level, if so then I must have missed that nerf when they nerfed foraging. Also the big part of the people here saying it's fair are non foragers that dont work there butt off in a grind profession. They get with there guild and go out and gain 3k xp per kill from mobs non-stop. I'm not saying none are not, just most of em. And the ones that are alwready got there 250 skill and it isn't going to affect them as much other than the SP's. If you get a chance please write down a list of how everything was meant to be played for the rest of us so we don't waste SP in the future.