Ryzom

hemera wrote:Multi boxing
First things first, what is Multi boxing?

Multi boxing is the action of controlling multiple accounts from a central point, where each key press results in a single action or macro on all your accounts.

It is important to note this 1 to 1 relation. It's this relation that separates multi boxing from botting. Bots combine multiple actions into a single key press

Actually multi boxing is where one person has two or more accounts running at the same time. Originally meaning one account per one computer, but as computers have become faster, multiple accounts can be run on single computer.

How the accounts are controlled does not matter. It can be manual (which is the permitted way) or from central point with key/mouse clone program (or hardware) where single keypress is automatically sent to other accounts.

It's also 1:n and not 1:1 relation because you can have more than +1 accounts running that way. Theoretically you could control hundreds of account over the internet with the use of keyclone like program.

As for the word 'botting'.... It's meaning is much wider than original. Think the word 'hacker'. 90% of the time when it's used, people actually mean 'cracker'.

Most game developers allow multiboxing in their games. To date, World of Warcraft, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, Aion, Anarchy Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Vanguard,EverQuest, EverQuest II, Lineage, Lineage II, City of Heroes, City of Villains and Ultima Online all allow multiboxing and software for multiboxing.



sherkalyn you play a single account on one screen what you dont understand is that it takes the move of a mouse five centimeteres to another client and that character can do the same action. only one with a misinterpretation of what multi-boxing is supposed to be is you.

ingame macro, didn't know ingame macros were now banned as well.

final word's for the crying, moaning and complaining, your crying and moaning drove TPM out of the game but good luck trying to drive TI out.

You lot alredy tried once, Entire Aris server Vs TI battles...

No matter what happens here the harassmant of poeple with more then two accounts will continue and Yumeroh thankyou for letting it happen.

Well clicking each client individually to use a macro that is already in the game, that's alright and how it's supposed to be done as far as I know.

Pressing a single key which sends a simultaneous command to ALL clients at once, however, requires the assistance of an external software that is not allowed. Keyclone it is called, I think.

How is that so hard to understand ? Simple facts. No crying, there. And if stating that its not alright is harassment... then I don't know what to say. The only ones that I've seen doing harassment have been throwing insults over this thread, kami and uni channel. *shrugs*

I haven't uttered a single insult. I can't help it if you refuse to see that something is wrong in all this mess.

Maybe we don't want TI to be gone. Maybe we just want them to realize that something they are doing is hurting other people or making them mad. But it won't matter if they don't want to care or understand. Oh well... too bad.

kalindra wrote:I did my best to remain polite and use purely logic in my arguments. I effectively ignored the flames/insults/shenanigans in order to explain my point as clearly as I could. But some wouldn't understand no matter how clearly I said it.

I have remained quite on this issue until now, feeling it better to try and let this pass in hopes that the negative publicity of our "Great Community" would get hidden. But now as I continue to read, I see that it most likely will not until the Aris server is shut down due to lack of funding to support it.

Sherk, you say you tried to be polite, but in previous post, you stated you did not want to point fingers and name names, yet you did. First by naming events done by a guild that are so easily recognized it is almost funny, and Second by coming out a truely naming TI.

Udyfastu is right. We should all be ashamed of ourselves, Players and GM's alike. We allowed a simple issue to blow up until it is a glaring "Black Eye" on the game.

hemera wrote: It's this relation that separates multi boxing from botting.

The part of 'botting' that makes it commonly forbidden is where it allows a player-character to take action without needing input from the player, thus giving an unfair advantage over those players who do need to control their character directly. Multi-syncing allows you to make, say, 5 player-characters take action while you only need to provide input for one character. Thus 4 characters are able to take action without needing input from you. It's not botting, but it violates the same principle. You only need to control 1 character and the other 4 copy it's moves, same outcome as using 1 character with 4 bots.

All the re-definitions are nothing more than legal loopholes that allow you to infinitely argue that you're still following the letter of the law while even you yourself realise you're clearly in breach of the spirit of it.

hemera wrote:The only people complaining on these forums and sending email's to you are the ones who can't afford the amount of funding needed and are jealous of others who can.

Yes, how unreasonable of someone who can only afford one account, to expect a fair playing field against someone who has more RL money to spend. And definitely, if a game has botters and other players complain about it, the complainers are the ones to blame for the bad publicity, not the botters, oh no.

I think it says enough that the bulk of your argument is packed with attempts to distract us into debating about the literal interpretations of the words involved, as well as attempts to point out who else is "doing it too", attempts to slander your opponents, and attempts to play the harassment-victim card. All very common (and unfortunately effective) strategies in political debate when a side realises they can't defend their case on it's own merits.

udyfastu wrote:Can't help but think that we have really done some excellent selling of the "Great Communitee" of players in Ryzom.

And add "attempts to silence the opponents by making them feel guilty about causing drama". This thread would've died silently in obscurity if people hadn't popped on to defend multi-syncing. So which side is to blame for the drama, now? The players banding together to announce they will not tolerate cheats in their game? Which, yeah, is an excellent selling of the community, actually.

Sywindt wrote: - Use any software to pass along keypresses to execute actions on different clients than the one you are playing at the time (this is NOT valid multiboxing and is dissalowed by the Ryzom ToS).

But anyways, I am not Winch Gate and it's not my job to properly define the legalities. (Not that I envy them for having to take that on, mind you. I see now why MMOs always include a "we can ban you for any reason we see fit" clause in their contract. :rolleyes .

I'm just a player who wouldn't want to play a game where people get away with such practices, regardless of how they manage to get away with it. In light of this, thanks for these clarifications, Sywindt and Yumeroh.

No Matter how you try to play it
the only one Losing here
is the Game Period.


and TI will not go anywhere
and this time i advise you to
get ready