Ryzom

About the difference between 'semi-RP' and 'full' RP: My observation is that a 'full' RPer sees their character as a (fictional) person of their own, seperate from themself, and wonders about things like "What would my character think about that and why is it different from what I think?" and "What was my character's life like before the moment I starting playing them?" A 'semi-RPer' sees their character as a role to play, but more as a mask for themself than as a completely different person. They act different as their character than as themself, but their character's views aren't different from their own views and they don't perceive their character as someone that could exist without them.

So to figure out which you are, just ask yourself if you see your character like a figure in a book/movie/story or like your face on Atys. Does -(s)he- crack racial jokes or do -you- crack racial jokes?

There is ofcourse no sharp dividing line (rather a sliding scale) and there are exceptions (a 'full' RPer can still play a character that's very similar to them), but that's the general idea I get.

Now, do not think RP-elitism is only something from full-RPers towards semi-RPers. There's many degrees of full-RP too, from those who only have a rough idea about their character's details and only want to be in character part of the time, to those who write hundreds of pages about their character's life and are never out of character. A lot of elitism is from one full-RPer to another, because the other doesn't play by their rules. For example, doesn't speak in Old English when they've decided every character in that world should speak in Old English.

In my opinion, these people miss the point of roleplaying. Roleplaying is about creating a story in interaction with others, and those others are not always going to play by your rules and expectations. Adapting to that unpredictability is what makes roleplaying challenging and interesting. If you want everything to go *your* way, you should be creating a story alone. A good roleplayer is one that can adapt to other peoples styles. For example, in the Ryzom lore it's impossible for your character to be a 5000 year old demigod who's the child of Jena and Ma-Duk, but if that's what somebody really really wants to play, I'm not going to accuse them of bad roleplaying, I'm just going to play my own characters as how I think they would treat someone claiming to be a 5000 year old demigod who's the child of Jena and Ma-Duk: as a loony.

A completely extraneous aside:

The crappy ******* pseudo-Elizabethan jargon used by over-amped RP wannabes in certain venues (not in Ryzom that I've ever seen) is not even Middle English, never mind Old English. In their attempt to feign superiority they merely display ignorance.

Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorl.

That's Old English.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled topic, with my apologies for the digression.

iceaxe68 wrote:A completely extraneous aside:

The crappy ******* pseudo-Elizabethan jargon used by over-amped RP wannabes in certain venues (not in Ryzom that I've ever seen) is not even Middle English, never mind Old English. In their attempt to feign superiority they merely display ignorance.

Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorl.

That's Old English.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled topic, with my apologies for the digression.

*SNARF* Sing it, sister. Most of them wouldn't know grammar if she came up and gnawed their head like a ragus. It is good that such do not tend to speak in Atys, possibly because it's pretty obvious that we homins wouldn't know Will Shakespeare from a hole in the ground.

I have to say that I do an occasional bit of role-play in Ryzom, but it's in the nature of riffs and posted questions and observations. People may respond to me or not and I won't care much either way unless they are saying stfu, which I've never gotten.

I once had a substantial in character argument with an old-timer about the nature of proper worship of the Kamis, both of us being Kamist. It was fantastic, and far nicer than some other arguments I have had in game even though it got very heated.

I suppose my point is that while Odo has a back story running back to the refugee camps he was rescued from before he was delivered to the Ranger camp in Silan, and while that back story informs my every action on Atys to a greater or lesser extent, I don't try to force it down people's throats.

-- with respect

iceaxe68 wrote:A completely extraneous aside:

The crappy ******* pseudo-Elizabethan jargon used by over-amped RP wannabes in certain venues (not in Ryzom that I've ever seen) is not even Middle English, never mind Old English. In their attempt to feign superiority they merely display ignorance.

Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorl.

That's Old English.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled topic, with my apologies for the digression.

Surely thou jesteth?

I blame the movies :

"Yondah is da castle of my faddah"

Name the movie and actor and get a free hug

lol, I was trying to translate "It is highly unlikely that any RPers speak Old English" into Old English when I got as far as reading your post, Sasi. Saves me the trouble with all those ******* prefixes

Although I suppose quoting Beowulf might have worked too...

iceaxe68 wrote:A completely extraneous aside:

The crappy ******* pseudo-Elizabethan jargon used by over-amped RP wannabes in certain venues (not in Ryzom that I've ever seen) is not even Middle English, never mind Old English. In their attempt to feign superiority they merely display ignorance.

Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorl.

That's Old English.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled topic, with my apologies for the digression.

Ok, let me interrupt our interruption.

Dear Lady of the Nerds:

So, you have to admit that we all knew exactly what was being referred to when we said "Old English." In fact, when you put "Old English" and "Role-Player" in the same sentence, everyone knows exactly what we are talking about.
There are many words/phrases we use that aren't supposed to be used for that thing. Yet, we use them and they get recognized. That's English for you.

Now, here is the question I pose to YOU!

What shall we call it then?

You must come up with a term, and from now on, at least I will swear to use that term in place of "Old English."

Make it catchy, though, or the internet will not like it.

What sayeth Ye, Queen of the Nerdeth People?

*bends down on one knee, awaiting the Word!*

Beau

I suggest "Old fashioned English", as that's what it is. In some cases, "Shakespearian English" might be appropriate.

Actor Tony Curtis. Movie Black shield of Falworth I believe.If I'm wrong on the movie do I get half a hug? -Kil

Meh, at least two hugs Kil mate, well done

beaut666 wrote:Ok, let me interrupt our interruption.

Dear Lady of the Nerds:

So, you have to admit that we all knew exactly what was being referred to when we said "Old English." In fact, when you put "Old English" and "Role-Player" in the same sentence, everyone knows exactly what we are talking about.
There are many words/phrases we use that aren't supposed to be used for that thing. Yet, we use them and they get recognized. That's English for you.

Now, here is the question I pose to YOU!

What shall we call it then?

You must come up with a term, and from now on, at least I will swear to use that term in place of "Old English."

Make it catchy, though, or the internet will not like it.

What sayeth Ye, Queen of the Nerdeth People?

*bends down on one knee, awaiting the Word!*

Beau

You are completely correct Beau, on all counts, including the nerd queen accusations. I am being unnecessarily didactic.

However, I'd point out that I already named it: crappy, ******* pseudo-Elizabethan. Think it will stick?

By the way, the passage I gave *was* a sentence from Beowulf, in case anyone cares.

Her Royal English-majorness will now shut up.